Nails in the Coffin

[Mr Arkadin]

Thats what I said before.
There is no ultimate truth.
But the deniers know it already now.

? You put that article up as undeniable proof of global warming, now you're saying it isn't? i like the way you ally yourself with Gore/world governments/elite whatever by using the term 'denier' with all that word's implications.

10000 years is 1000 decades. then the trends of an empiric study might be accurate enough

Not really. 10,000 years is nothing. Check the ice core samples if you want the true science, not 60 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxmo9DskYE

[siriusbliss]

Scientists need to cross-correlate patterning in volcanic, solar-flare/storm cycles, ice cores, tectonic, sea temperatures, etc., while ALSO revealing the fact that 10-15 large ships on the open sea expel WAY more pollutants than 100's or thousands of cars - but they are not restricted or excessively taxed.

Until ALL the various data is cross-correlated and made sense of, then the WHOLE argument for/against exclusively man-made causes is moot.

Now, there is also more obscure data correlating distant pulsar cycles as they influence solar and weather cycles on little ol' Earth, which CAN be somehow cross-checked with ice-core samples, archeological patterns, etc. It's the top-down patterning that needs to be looked at.

I guess maybe I'd rather have my taxes go to pay for this type of research rather than lining the pockets of the 'green elite' that do nothing but blow hot air (and CO2) in big rooms somewhere out of reach in between ski trips.

Greg

[garyb]

Some 'fake data' for Wayne to explain the sometimes blazing sun
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 976240.ece

Gary this is funded by evil elites in Australia government, right ?

since you wish to be belligerent, let's be clear. THE ORIGINAL GLOBAL WARMING DATA THAT ALL THESE STUDIES ARE BASED ON IS FAKE, NOT BECAUSE I SAY SO, BUT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO PUBLISHED THE DATA HAVE NOW BEEN CAUGHT ADMITTING THE FAKERY IN THEIR OWN EMAILS. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE DEBATE ON THIS ONE NARROW SUBJECT, BECAUSE THE LYING IS NOT DENIED BY THE LIARS. also, these same guys admit TRYING TO DISCREDIT ANYONE CALLING THEM OUT ON THEIR FAKERY. also, these same guys BROKE THE FIRST RULE OF SCIENCE IN THAT THE REFUSED TO PUBLISH BOTH THE UNADJUSTED, ORIGINAL DATA THAT THEIR STUDIES WERE BASED ON, AS WELL AS THE FORMULA FOR THE "ADJUSTMENTS", BECAUSE, AS THEY SAID, "those wanting the unadjusted data are only trying to discredit us"! scientists are SUPPOSED to try to discredit a theory. that's what "PEER REVIEW" is all about.

THE MIDDLE AGES WERE MUCH HOTTER THAN TODAY. WHERE WERE THEIR SUVs?

i don't give a damn about any other snideness, Snidely Whiplash.

[iSiStOy]

i'm sure the workers in these organizations mean nothing but the best(just like catholics who work with the poor or freemasons who collect for charity). however, bill and melinda gates have NEVER funded anything but eugenics. aids in africa? hmmmm.....

well... I'm often short, in terms of arguing with anybody's opinion, but that was my limit. Please don't insult what would be the best perspective to democracy decadence.
Now, IMHO: you are right about climate change. This is just bullshit regarding CO2. It is certainly a try & go for the new global decision mgt system, more than anything!
So, I consider that seeing a huge part of the political, economical, scientific community focusing on a "trivial" gaz like CO2, is suspect!
It's too easy to forget speaking about sulphur or any volatile pollution derivatives that ARE causing global disturbances.
A simple proof is the way French gvt is pressuring people through medias to convince them about CO2 tax goodness...

Burn the fuckers! We, French people, are regicide proofed through our own history. I just hope it will happen again before it's too late...

[dawman]

Viva La France...................
I always think of France as the second wave of freedom as history of that country and ties with the USA were the best for so many decades. It was like a little USA over in Europe.
My Grandfather helped liberate a Castle there in WWI and all the way up until my Grandmother passed away the people of this little town use to write to every American and Canadian that was involved in that effort, about 100 or so every year and thank them.
Good old Bush really strained things between the USA and France, but before that 210 years of brothers in arms. I hope we all show these " world leaders " that taxes have always caused revolution, and they should never forget that.
Just do me a favor and spare Sarkozy's wife..

[iSiStOy]

Sorry but that needed some complements, IMHO: NGOs are both good and bad.
You see Mister goodmann (john doe if you prefer) rushing into it as a good opportunity to make money.
But it is flagrant enough for some whole country population to avoid these causes and preferably fund other people, most of the time counteracting their own country's decisions.
Judged on popular referendums is the way for a change (may it be good or bad at short sight). NGOs is the way for a change.
The Swizz population, THROUGH a REFERENDUM, said: "no! Stop immigration, we have our count".
Before that referendum, Switzerland was known to be one of the most hospitable country in the World. Why is that?
Direct democracy!
Swiss people (and not the wealthiest part of da population) are annually giving more money than what you can ever imagine, and for some humanitarian causes...
Where is the problem located?

[iSiStOy]

Just do me a favor and spare Sarkozy's wife..

As you might probably know already, revolution is a brutal thing! I do not hope we come to that and if so, burning will be quite blind!

[garyb]

there's nothing wrong with the Swiss!
the people running things there(bankers and such) are the scum of the earth, though.

rule by NGO is the pure Soviet way. NGO councils are exactly what made the old Soviet Union so fun. i'm not saying that everyone in every NGO is a bad person! far from that! unfortunately, as those organizations grow, they become more and more corrupt. then you get a situation like this "green" one, good people who are misinformed about the REAL causes behind things doing their best to do good work and then making a mess.

i certainly am not cutting down anyone's SPECIFIC work, i'm just generalizing(about the NGOs), which doesn't cover every situation. i dislike the term "NGO", it speaks of manipulation and official agenda. people have always had organizations to do good work and they never needed a catchy name like that to do it. the moment that these groups become officially recognized, they lose a lot of the NON-governmental aspect, especially when they get funded by the very same money that is funding the government....

-btw, armed revolution will likely only bring neutron bombs and nerve gas. these guys are looking for a reason to depopulate(machines can do people's jobs now). an across the board refusal to cooperate and self education are the only hope against distopia now....

[garyb]

one other thing-

CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD! we need specific change, not just change for something different's sake....change for the worse should be avoided!

[iSiStOy]

there's nothing wrong with the Swiss!

Whatever the country, opinion is a sharp blade for sure! Not all Swiss people are working in banks!!!! Are you sure your want me to give real opinions from real Swiss people (working in IT, mostly, sorry)?
Ahhh Mister Mc Carthy, you forgot to give us hints about your actual name: "rule by NGO is the pure Soviet way. NGO councils are exactly what made the old Soviet Union so fun."
So fun??? WTF! Do you think it's funny?

[siriusbliss]

there's nothing wrong with the Swiss!

Whatever the country, opinion is a sharp blade for sure! Not all Swiss people are working in banks!!!! Are you sure your want me to give real opinions from real Swiss people (working in IT, mostly, sorry)?
Ahhh Mister Mc Carthy, you forgot to give us hints about your actual name: "rule by NGO is the pure Soviet way. NGO councils are exactly what made the old Soviet Union so fun."
So fun??? WTF! Do you think it's funny?

Gary is being sarcastic.

'Those that print the money control the population....'

[iSiStOy]

'Those that print the money control the population....'
I get that, 200% (no joke at all)

[garyb]

there IS nothing wrong with Swiss people, in general.

was there something wrong with the Soviet comment? perhaps you misunderstand me. maybe i should have written "NGO councils are what made the old Soviet Union such a drag for regular folk"....look, I'M not the one who defined the Soviet system are rule by NGO councils. the Soviets did that themselves. what is it they say? "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"...

i don't think i've trashed anyone directly, in fact, just the opposite...(except for high level bankers, i DID trash them)

[iSiStOy]

Nop, regarding politics, there is sthg wrong in CH!

Was there something wrong with the Soviet comment? Yep! Personnaly, I would at least wait for any refs for what you are stating in this:
"NGO councils are exactly what made the old Soviet Union so fun."

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[iSiStOy]

Plz, let me comment my own post:
current politics is sophism, wherever you live and whatever you do at the moment (USA, EU, AS...).
I work in Geneva, close to private banking (some of our customers are in the deal: trusties, faked façades, dummy companies, whatever...)
You think that my education did not gave me materials against these directions?
The thing is that your own people is under-educated (sorry for that, but it looks like truth to me and others in Europe).
Work for that first, before trying to make us believe what we are not!

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[siriusbliss]

We may be uneducated in such things, but we are not unaware - unless we're stuck in a stereotype and prefer to just watch football.

Many things about to transform here.

Greg

[iSiStOy]

We may be uneducated in such things, but we are not unaware - unless we're stuck in a stereotype and prefer to just watch football.

Many things about to transform here.

Greg

No bad feelings about any one of us personaly. I don't even pretend to know what you know in terms of producing sound, siriusbliss.
I am not a professional in this and I am eager to learn about any one of us, day by day.

[braincell]

Ignorance goes hand in hand with a poor education. We are too arrogant to figure out that our public education is among the worst in the world even though the figures are clear. It's a self- perpetuating cycle of ignorance.

[iSiStOy]

Probably, you'll find your own figures in the USA's rich history!
More than anything, you need topic-dedicated executives! I'd be a Us citizen, I'd stick call for an votation. Then I'll know education shall follow (your children's knowledge, their social security, with restrictions....)

[iSiStOy]

I like better people that clearly state they dont give a damn shit on this our one and only ecosphere than those hyper complex alibis that forward only the personal comfort zone based on rhetoric strain on the eyes

Current word is a combat zone. Those who made childrenm without knowing about it are to be complained for their lack of thinking...
Harsh!