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I'm stuck at work for 2 more f'ing hours.....

i like to know if S/C are serious working on a new drivers for MAC OSX or not .2 years waiting from xite-1 announce of OSX drivers! ..............what´s up?

what's up is that the whole Scope program must be rewritten for OSX, a driver alone isn't enough, and there are only a handful of people in all of Germany(in the world!) who can do the work and S/C has limited resources, so OSX hasn't been finished yet. they are VERY serious about it and will likely finish it soon, if not soon enough for you....

if it was a simple matter, it'd been finished already.

I think it's only been about a year, but I have a bad cold and my memory's a little foggy

Greg

Is there a list of fixes/changes for this Scope release?

King of Snake wrote:Is there a list of fixes/changes for this Scope release?

if so, it is either not public, or might show up during/after install (don't know about it because I haven't had time for install yet). I don't expect it to be there, though.

garyb wrote:what's up is that the whole Scope program must be rewritten for OSX, a driver alone isn't enough, and there are only a handful of people in all of Germany(in the world!) who can do the work and S/C has limited resources, so OSX hasn't been finished yet. they are VERY serious about it and will likely finish it soon, if not soon enough for you....

if it was a simple matter, it'd been finished already.

I think is much easier you take a pc for use scope than claiming they must rewrite the whole program. If you like Scope, the platform will give you enough stability and non-OS performance dependency to be worry about using OSX all over any other things, there is life beyond MAC´s.

Of course there is life beyond Mac... and having a 2nd computer is a good option for some, I myself have been doing that for the past 2 years and it works great. Of course, not only I get 2x the noise, but I needed 2x the sound cards, using an RME 24-channel ADAT on the main PC to send audio to Scope and back...

What's more, the XITE, having only 1 ADAT port, is not especially designed to be a "remote" card, not in the way as 2x PCI cards could handle 32 ADAT channels and 4 SPDIF plus analogue... 8 channels of digital audio processing for 3200 EUR? Nah, IMHO, the XITE should be on your main computer, and that's where it'll shine. (of course, adding an A16U will give you 16 more channels, but it's not free either).

Many musicians already have their Mac setups, either desktop or laptop, and could do with scope too. I believe that quite a lot are using Macs exclusively, and S|C should really make an effort to enter that market, as I think it'll pay off in the long run. I myself know of a few people who would go for the Xite, except it won't work with Logic, etc etc.

S|C themselves have declared that Scope will be OS-X compatible in 2010, and so we wait... Laptop-ability is also a must.

T

The Xite-1 has two Adat inputs and two outputs for sixteen channels each way.

I agree about the Mac - a lot of people use a Mac exclusively and it would be a shame to shut them out as there are a lot of potential customers there. However, I'm Sure SC are concentrating on making a more polished product before porting to the Mac. God knows how much work all this Scope development is taking and the Mac port is no quick project either. Sonic Core need more developers but then they need to shift more units to pay them - a bit of a chicken and egg there.

I really, really want SC to succeed with this. They have a wonderful product - if you look around the competition you realise there really isn't any. There isn't a DSP product that can do a wide range of tasks as the Xite-1. The Xite-1 has first-rate synths, effects and mixers complete with a very flexible environment for management and routing. The UAD only does effects, EQs and dynamics. I think it's the same with the Duende. The Kyma system is completely different aimed at audio processing. If only SC can pull some manpower to finish off the niggles in Scope 5 and work on the Mac port and x64 versions at the same time! More than anything, they need to beef up their marketing, get the word out and shift some boxes!!

Back to the Mac issue. I'd love to move totally over to the Mac so that I can use Metasynth, Logic and Redmatica stuff on my main computer along with Scope and keep my PC for Sound Forge and Emulator X3. I thought about composing on the Mac and somehow sending all MIDI and audio to Scope on PC somehow. Perhaps there's an ethernet solution?

sure there is, but there'll be a Mac version just like the new expresscard adaptor is now available.

I personally have no need for Mac, but can see the value of having it.
I can see larger studios ganging Mac/PC's with Xites on ADAT arrays (including even over long distance using Ethernet).

If SC continues to achieve these developments with the DSP, then I can see the Eventides and Lexicons of the world snooping around to get access to that development. SC could license the DSP while Lexi and Eventide do the algo development. Could be a powerful thing for massive reverbs and big real-time surround effects, etc.

Xite is still the best bang-for-the-buck deal out there right now IMO.

Greg

auricle wrote: I thought about composing on the Mac and somehow sending all MIDI and audio to Scope on PC somehow. Perhaps there's an ethernet solution?

For sure, there is,

check VE Pro (Vienne Ensemble Pro) on the VSL Web site

http://vsl.co.at/en/65/71/1738/1356.vsl

i use it with 1 MacPro (Logic as Main sequencer) and 3 PCs (as Slave Samplers) and it's a very good ethernet solution (for Mac and PC)
There are 32 and 64 bit VE Pro version which you can use together on a 32 or 64 bit OS
the 32 bit version on a 64 bit OS can access all your old 32 bit plugins and Vi.
The 64 bit version can access all your Ram with a sampler like Kontakt

i m very happy with this set up

Audiorail.
http://www.audiorail.com/

- actually proprietary CAT5e (not ethernet)

Great boxes. I've used these units in theater installations and was able to run 24 channels of ADAT down 150 feet to the stage from the control room.

Greg

That's an expensive solution, Greg - thanks for the tip, though. It's good to know that something like that exists.

I've heard of VE Pro before and it sounds great but I need to pipe ALL my multitrack audio + MIDI over ethernet from my Mac so that it can be mixed in Scope on my PC. Is that possible?

I'm sure that the Mac version will be released but how long is a piece of string? (twice half it's length isn't an answer!)

auricle wrote: I've heard of VE Pro before and it sounds great but I need to pipe ALL my multitrack audio + MIDI over ethernet from my Mac so that it can be mixed in Scope on my PC. Is that possible?

Yes but you have to add something like MOL alongside of VePro

I have 3 Vepro as slave (2 PC and my MacPro) with Kontakt for SISS, Project Sam etc,...and the whole set of vsl special edition collection
My Vepro Server is on another PC with scope cards and Reaper (Vepro server need a sequencer or at least an host)

Logic (in the mac pro) is connected to reaper with MOL (64 midiports)
So i m working in Logic and reaper is just here to host VePro server on the Scope PC
It's something like this:
For Midi:
Midi track in Logic ->MidiOverloan -> Vepro track in Reaper ->Vsl Vepro Midi solution-> 3 Vepro slave
For Audio:
3 Vepro Slaves -> Audio track in Reaper -> Asio in Scope

This solution seems a little bit weird, but if you use Vepro with his proper midi solution, latency is almost nonexistent
If you try to connect directly MOL to Vepro, the system become really unstable with a big amount of latency
Now i have pratically no latency (Logic buffer size = 128)
Logic is super fast because there is only Midi tracks, some audio track and 1 or 2 Vi here and there
Switching between cues is super fast because All samplers and Big Vi are loaded elsewhere

To learn how Vepro can recall your configuration or presets for each song, you can get the manual as pdf on the vsl web site
And there is a Vepro demo (you need a synchrosoft key)

It is a very good and powerfull cross-platform solution but there can be as many configuration as users.
mine is not very current and a litlle bit weird because i can't have my Sequencer and Scope cards on the same computer, and i use Scope for mixing
Os X drivers and Scope on an Intel Mac would be a dream for mac user

Gatam My Brotha',
Did you try out the samples that came with VE Pro...?
I was wondering what you thought, as my other VSL libraries are so shrill that they can't be used next to Scope synths.

A more economic alternative to Audiorail (ADAT over Cat5):
http://appsys.ch/en/products/digitalaud ... reextender

Or, if you only need to do 8 channels:
http://appsys.ch/en/products/digitalaud ... nkextender

Best Regards,
Rolf

Gatam wrote:

auricle wrote: I've heard of VE Pro before and it sounds great but I need to pipe ALL my multitrack audio + MIDI over ethernet from my Mac so that it can be mixed in Scope on my PC. Is that possible?

Yes but you have to add something like MOL alongside of VePro

I have 3 Vepro as slave (2 PC and my MacPro) with Kontakt for SISS, Project Sam etc,...and the whole set of vsl special edition collection
My Vepro Server is on another PC with scope cards and Reaper (Vepro server need a sequencer or at least an host)

Logic (in the mac pro) is connected to reaper with MOL (64 midiports)
So i m working in Logic and reaper is just here to host VePro server on the Scope PC
It's something like this:
For Midi:
Midi track in Logic ->MidiOverloan -> Vepro track in Reaper ->Vsl Vepro Midi solution-> 3 Vepro slave
For Audio:
3 Vepro Slaves -> Audio track in Reaper -> Asio in Scope

This solution seems a little bit weird, but if you use Vepro with his proper midi solution, latency is almost nonexistent
If you try to connect directly MOL to Vepro, the system become really unstable with a big amount of latency
Now i have pratically no latency (Logic buffer size = 128)
Logic is super fast because there is only Midi tracks, some audio track and 1 or 2 Vi here and there
Switching between cues is super fast because All samplers and Big Vi are loaded elsewhere

To learn how Vepro can recall your configuration or presets for each song, you can get the manual as pdf on the vsl web site
And there is a Vepro demo (you need a synchrosoft key)

It is a very good and powerfull cross-platform solution but there can be as many configuration as users.
mine is not very current and a litlle bit weird because i can't have my Sequencer and Scope cards on the same computer, and i use Scope for mixing
Os X drivers and Scope on an Intel Mac would be a dream for mac user

Thanks for that Gatam!

So I can send the audio from a VI in Logic through VE Pro client to the server on the PC hosted by Reaper to be mixed in Scope?

For MIDI, I just use MOL to the PC to play a synth in Scope?

Just checking I've got my thoughts right

appsys wrote:A more economic alternative to Audiorail (ADAT over Cat5):
http://appsys.ch/en/products/digitalaud ... reextender

Or, if you only need to do 8 channels:
http://appsys.ch/en/products/digitalaud ... nkextender

Best Regards,
Rolf

Thanks Rolf. I'd like to stick to a software solution for now and try and save on the pennies a bit

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Gatam My Brotha',
Did you try out the samples that came with VE Pro...?
I was wondering what you thought, as my other VSL libraries are so shrill that they can't be used next to Scope synths.

Hi Jimmy

i sent you a PM with the list of the Epic Orchestra patchs delivered with VePro
And, yes, the vsl sound is always very hard, shrill etc etc ...
it needs a lot of EQ and very good reverb according to the type of music, sound, mix etc .. you want
it's absolutely not plug'n'play (for the sound)
But the Vienna instrument is really easy to use
A dry and harsh sound (but you have some freedom to choose your sound and reverb)
With an Easy and simple GUI