Patience, please stand by

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:25 am

Gandhi showed us the power of peace over agression and anger. That's what peace is about: it is a power that bring the worst criminal insanity to bend and give way. Those who think that peace is idle are greatly mistaken, for it is a most dynamic force propelling the evolution towards a greater consciousness and happiness.

And those who serve us the old belief that there must be hate to counterbalance the harmonious side of things, let me be direct about that: that's exactly this kind of thinking that permits war and other such things to continue to manifest. War is unacceptable and should be wiped out of the Universe forever and it will be swept away in the future. Destruction and desecration serve only the purpose of lowering man to the rank of the beast and keep it chained there. Is this how Life intended us to behave? It cannot be so, for it would be a pitiful travesty upon God's Universe. So please, my friends, I beg you to understand that the acceptance of a things is partly responsible for its continued existence.

It all starts with simple things: living a harmonious life, being kind to one another, never condemn nor judge others for we all make mistakes, getting rid of intoxicants like cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, being vegeterian, never try to deceive one another, and so on. These simple things are often overlooked but they are the basis for one who will experiment with the Power of Peace!

Post by **hubird** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:39 am

and sex? is it allowed?

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:15 am

We're free beings bro, so we do what we please! But the waste of sex energy is one of the greatest tragedies on this planet. We need this energy to be staunch and firm and have the courage to be ambassadors of peace, staying focused upon the highest ideals of accomplishment, of true Compassion and spiritual awareness. It certainly takes a great deal of strength!

I don't want to start any debate on that, but since you asked...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:15 am

On 2004-01-25 17:03, Immanuel wrote:
Evolution (that is my belief - others may differ) gave os emotions, because they are usefull - all of them.

If someone is beating a helpless child, anger may be one helpfull tool to stop it.

Anger is a basic human feeling. Make it your friend, and it looses it's danger. Deny it, and it is a very dangerous thing indeed.

Just continueing this off topic stuff because I think it's quite interesting. I do agree we should not deny our basic emotions, but just because "evolution gave it to us" does not neccesarily make it useful. Yes it may come in handy in a moment where a person (or someone close to that person) is in extreme danger, but usually anger does make you blind and can even hinder your attempts to defend yourself against danger because you're not thinking straight.
Just think of all the times you hear about someone killing someone in a sudden rage of anger, and half an hour later the rage is over and they cannot believe what they have done. Anger clouds your judgement.

Ehh, anger is like strengt, beauty and intelligense - it is in nature neither good nor bad. It all depends on how you use it ...

I'd say that's definitely up for debate. I would classify anger as a very harmful and negative emotion by nature, but then I'm a bit of a buddhist at heart

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dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:50 am

Punk rock in my view has less to do with pumping out anger than shattering complacency. Punk rock shows that I've been to were all about creating and filling a room up with energy and exhiliration where it's void was the office, or highschool, or something which robbed us of our sense of control and determination.

That's my memory, in so far as anyone can trust their own.

Sam

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:34 am

You have some wery strong moral/ethic rules Eliam. I hope you can use it constructively, because I have seen many times those same (or more or less equal) rules become a fierce weapon, that (because it is used the wrong way) completely destroys the life of the person with those rules (judging him/herself in a hard and destructive way). Some people destroy other people's lives too with such rules. Often religion (wich I bar far is categorically against) plays a role in it too.

If you can cope with it - fine. I have seen people, who couldn't.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:50 am

Rest assured that inspite of my strict self-discipline, I am a very gentle person and I apply this non-judgement attitude toward others. I simply speak about it in a spirit of sharing but never in the world would I ever try to impose anything upon anyone!

Extremists have done much wrong in the name of religious beliefs, but those who hate and judge in the name of love are lost indeed!

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:21 am

On 2004-01-26 10:34, Immanuel wrote:
You have some wery strong moral/ethic rules Eliam. I hope you can use it constructively, because I have seen many times those same (or more or less equal) rules become a fierce weapon, that (because it is used the wrong way) completely destroys the life of the person with those rules (judging him/herself in a hard and destructive way). Some people destroy other people's lives too with such rules. Often religion (wich I bar far is categorically against) plays a role in it too.

Actually.. I think that those who have killed in the name of love/religion/morals are more consumed by hate and anger than they are with any notions of love. Yes, I personally am a religious person but most of my closest friends are not. But that does not make me judge them negatively or hate them for it.

As far as anger is concerned, this is one of the few human emotions to which I am completely opposed. It is quite unique in that it has the power to destroy everything that is good about a person.

I do not hate Braincell for his anger.. I actually pity him for it. I suspect that he is not a happy person. Happiness is a very underrated thing: you do not have to be ignorant/complacent about the state of the world to be happy. I say this having seen both sides of the argument.. I was once like Braincell, always railing against the things that annoyed me.. but I learned that it was a futile waste of energy and positivity. I hope for Braincell's sake that he sees what I am trying to say, and not just for the sake of me feeling I am 'right' or something.

peace

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:58 am

Sometimes one can judge another person negatively - and still keep respect for that person. Beeing able to see something/someone as both "good" and "bad" is a very important thing. Not being able to do this is called "splitting" and is very disturbing to both the person and the person's relationsships.

Negative judgments are very usefull - when they are used in the right way. I is good to be able to see thru a scam, when trying to buy stuff at ebay. It is sad to initially believe all ebayers are scammers.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:50 pm

To be able to see the sparkle of Eternal Light within every being is a marvelous blessing for everyone involved! To understand that the human accumulation of mistakes is but a passing cloud that temporarily dims the True Self's Pure Light radiance is one of the most beautiful things that I ever understood!

And the dividing line between shadows and Light is as plain as night and day to those who seek a true understanding of the nature of reality. Accepting the shadows as a "part
of the deal" makes it difficult for people to get rid of their self-inflicted darkness and become the reality-transmutating beings that they ought to be... Still, anyone determined enough can break the old habits of hatred, including mild dislike, within him/herself. It takes a grip of steel, but the other choice is to let the animal have its way and destroy another body and put more suffering on top of the pile of human karma.

thorkell · Post by **thorkell** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:51 pm

BTW how long do you think it is appropiate for us to be patient?

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:59 pm

On 2004-01-26 12:51, thorkell wrote:
BTW how long do you think it is appropiate for us to be patient?

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=10&19

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:39 pm

hehe, the circle is complete!

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:56 pm

Thank you for the great laugh, Immanuel

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:32 pm

thorkell · Post by **thorkell** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:52 pm

"these things always take some time."

What are these things?

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:31 pm

Those...

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:44 pm

It would be mostly interesting to see Frank here more often !

Again, I would send detailed polls to registered users : what do you want ? to satisfy the most & easy money ...
The " loud " ones here are ... what ? less than 10 % of PlanetZ at the very most ? and what do they buy ? if they are not too fluent in english ?

I would choose minds change at CW up to half of 2004 instead of new products, I'am already too busy with their stuff & third parties anyway ...

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:14 pm

If Frank has taken one look at this thread, he's probably decided not to have the Q&A forum.

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:22 pm

He's surely a very busy and overbooked man, if he should read the whole thread, CW is surely damned !