Panning

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:24 am

I need to pan some channels left and some right. I am using Logic. When I pan a channel I see the sound on the side I choose but the sound still keeps coming down in the center. I tried panning hard left or right in SFP and Logic but I get the same result. Even when I bounce the tracks it is the same. I am wondering if it is the way my outboard gears are connected? Any suggestions please. I have to transfer my files to a HD recorder in order to record and pan files.

Valium · Post by **Valium** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:07 pm

seems to me like your amp/outboard stuff is in mono mode ...

HTH,

Greetz

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:59 pm

Any panning automation involved in your track?

I'd go with the above answer as well.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:00 pm

No panning automation is involved. The analogue inputs on the Luna is supposed to be stereo, right. Am I supposed to be using balanced cables or unbalanced? Silly question. I have the Luna out coming into a mono input (unbalanced cable) on my mixer and an auxillary out (balanced cable)into the Luna input. I am using a Behringer 18X3X2 mixer. Any ideas?

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:12 pm

Here's an idea: Is the track you are bouncing mono or stereo in Logic? Make sure it's stereo

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Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:17 pm

The file I am using is stereo in Logic. I am wondering now what is wrong. I have been playing around on another PC with a SB card, Win 98 and Pro Tools Free. I am able to pan tracks anyhow I want in the Mix window. I am going to try and see if Pro Tools Free can work with my Luna Card with WDM drivers installed on Win 98. Eight audio tracks and 48 midi is'nt that bad for free. Anyone ever tried that? I think Creamware should have a sequencer or add midi features to their audio recorder. I am fed up with those other serquencers(Logic, Sonar etc). I maybe sounding absurd but thats my true opinion. These cards are the only reason I am sticking with software sequencers.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:28 pm

Here is a procedure to give you some clue of, where the problem is.

Take a mono synth. Put it into a Channel (the one channel "mixer". Put the channel in stereo mode. Send the signal from the channel to the Luna analog outs.

Now play the synth and adjust the pan on the channel. If your signal still stays centered in the soundscape, you will know for shure, that this is not a software problem.

I tried pooh tools free in my PC - it made the PC very unstable - just like a music technology studying friend predicted. Should work better on a Mac.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:38 pm

I think Creamware should have a sequencer or add midi features to their audio recorder.

What ever happened to Blue Cubase?

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:45 pm

Thanks Immanuel. I am going to try that. I will post the outcome tomorrow.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:52 am

Well. No change. I tried what Immanuel said. I am still not able to do any panning. The single still remaims at the center. I see it pan in SFP and Logic but I still hear it at Center.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:23 am

I am now checking everything in detail. I have removed my headphone from the mixer and connected it to the output on the card to bypass the mixer. I can now hear the panning from SFP which is excellent. SFP is definitely not the problem. I am now looking at the mixer and my cnnections.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:43 am

Ok, don't take this as an insult - but we've got try basics.

You do know, that the jack connections are stereo each. One is stereo in, and the other is stereo out. So you need a stereo jack -> dual mono rca/jack/XLR kind of cable. And the cable must be soldered right, so each mono connection has its own stereo channel.

I looks much like a connection (cable) problem.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:49 am

It definitely is a connection problem. I am going to try some new cables. I would let you know the result. Bye for now.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 2:44 pm

Immanuel I tried new cables and all other possibilities. The situation is the same. I believed it has to do with the routing capabilities of the Behringer Eurorack UB1832 mixer. Those are very cheap and I cannot expect to get any major features apart from the ordinary from it. I would try something else soon to see.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:55 pm

Hi Abre

What kind of cables do you use (jack->XLR/RCA/jack)?. I have taken a look at the behringer mixer you talk of, and I don't see anything on it, that should prevent you from getting stereo performance - except forgetting to use the pan controlls in the channels - if that is how you rute it.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:38 pm

I am using quarter inch(1/4) TRS connection. I am using the pan controls on the channels. When I pan and mix inside SFP I get all sinals correct. I can see left side or right side how they are panned on the tracks. The tracks get mixed back centered once I mix them through the mixer.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:13 pm

You do pan the tracks on the Behringer I mean?

If your headphones give you stereo from the Luna card, I sugest this:

Get a stereo jack->stereo mini jack plug.
Get a cheap stereo mini jack->dual RCA cable.
Connect the Luna to the tape inputs on the Behringer.

It still does look as a wrongly soldered cable.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:40 pm

a dumb question....are the behringer channels panned?

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 3:34 am

To understand fully what he meant you have to read from the beginning of this topic. I know what he is talking about.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 3:44 am

no,the misunderstanding is mine.so is the dumb question.really,this thing MUST work.do you have the solo function on the mixer engaged?that will give you a mono output....