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valis wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:42 pm Holger has his hands full with life and his theatrical sound business, so having someone who can handle 64bit drivers attend to the issue would move things along.
Well,- by whatever reason the new Win10/11 driver is unable to come,- it´s sad it is.
I don´t need a new SCOPE version incl. new devices at all,- just only Win7 64Bit bug fixes and fully working 64Bit WAVE- and ASIO drivers.
There´s my Win 7 Pro 64Bit laptop waiting for a SCOPE 7 64Bit installation w/o the need wrapping my head aroud compromises and workarounds.
Total recall incl. every single user MIDI CC assignment on device level should work flawlessly as also operating every "standalone" native VSTdevice as well as WAVE I/O for additionally connected application(s).
Even though I´m very patient and truly consider SCOPE being a toolbox at a premium and worth to support ´til I retire from music biz or longer, I really wonder what´s so difficult w/ this and why it needs years,- or why it needs the wait until a "new SCOPE" is ready.
The "forget MIDI CC assignments" bug and some others are way older than the 1st release of SCOPE 7 is and some step-by step bug fixes would help a lot.
But that´s only me ... YMMV.

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This is more about 64bit addressing with newer portaudio apps & DAWs etc. Xite at the very least could use current support, as it simplifies post sales support and returns. PCI users are expecting something too though, and have already bought an update with the hopes of seeing it soon via support.

Certainly I'm no naysayer, but I wouldn't mind being able to use my Xite box for everything and drop at least one of my RME boxes (I have 4).
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valis wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:03 am This is more about 64bit addressing with newer portaudio apps & DAWs etc. Xite at the very least could use current support, as it simplifies post sales support and returns. PCI users are expecting something too though, and have already bought an update with the hopes of seeing it soon via support.

Certainly I'm no naysayer, but I wouldn't mind being able to use my Xite box for everything and drop at least one of my RME boxes (I have 4).
Yep, using the older machines,- possibly w/ Win XP SP2 or Win 7 Pro 32Bit still,- makes a good SCOPE "standalone" solution for "STUDIO".

But not for being mobile,- and when I´m about using something mobile,- I want everything one only that one machine (laptop),- latest SCOPE and some carefully assorted native VST in addition.
SCOPE/XITE w/ PCIexpresscard34 would be the ideal solution WHEN SCOPE ASIO 64Bit and total recall (incl. MIDI CC assignment) worked as expected.
I´d connect my (partially vintage) hardware keys and MIDI-expanders via A16U (Z-Link), use SCOPE as digital mixer, FX-rack, audio router and have a handfull of for XITE optimized synths.
Leaves the question for a "humble" VST live-host running well w/ SCOPE ASIO, just only for sample libraries and some not too much CPU demanding VSTis from my collection.
I can imagine Reaper or Plogue Bidule, but using the Bidule demo I also recognized it doesn´t work flawlessly w/ every VST.
The latter rules also for Tracktion where some GUIs don´t work like they should.

The older I get and the more A.I. covers the most typical services like composing commercials, simple pop tunes, arrangement as also sound design (creating patches for a given tune),- the studio scenario becomes less attractive,- at least for me.
I always made the money w/ services, not "making tracks or beats" all day and creating Youtube etc. content for free.
For me, the live gigging scenario becomes more interesting again in future.

And when I get all running better w/ just only a Win7 Pro 64Bit laptop setup and SCOPE 5.1,- why should I use SCOPE/XITE v7 or buy a "new SCOPE" later ?
I bought SCOPE v7 for PCI and XITE,- and didn´t see many advantages, SCOPE v7 vs 5.1 for the purpose I described above.
The SCOPE synths I use in v7 already ran well in v4.5 and v5.1 while the total recall MIDI CC assignment bug is still the same.
Scope 5.1 ran well on WinXP SP2 32Bit w/ XITE-1 here,- I used for years in my 32Bit rackmount PC, together w/ Studio One Pro, Reaper and Reason 4 up to 6.x.
Just sayin´ ...

Finally,- I´m urgently waiting for a new and perfect working 64Bit SCOPE ASIO driver.

:)

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valis wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:42 pm Holger has his hands full with life and his theatrical sound business, so having someone who can handle 64bit drivers attend to the issue would move things along.
Ahw, but someone metioned there were three men. Or is it like I said before? A one man show?
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Holger + Gary + Valis = 3
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I’m just the forum dude.
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Well, no one said 3 ‘developers’ 8)
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Ye so let me correct you on that one.

"Holger + Gary + Valis = 3"
So we know that is not correct.

Correction:
Holger + Holger + Holger = 3 x Junior Developers + 1 Sales/Public relations Guy xD

I still hope I can get my keys for scope 9.0 beta males.

And so you see, we were talking about #developers
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Holger (Theatrical) + Holger (Life) + Holger (Trade show guy) = Holger (Scope) zero. The guy is a genius but Scope never recovered gracefully from 64bit transition. Not his fault, just the market missed this gem. Anyway I have my Xite-D wired and ready to go, maybe in a year or two's time when Ive finished remixing backlog on Mac, Ill go back to Scope to learn modular IV in a bit more depth. Modular and routing are 2 of Scope's strong points, but there is also an Apollo 'D' option now covering network routing over Dante and while that's a great indicator of the longevity of Sharc DSP - it also represents another market niche spoken for.
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LunaMan wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:39 pm Holger ... The guy is a genius but Scope never recovered from 64bit transition.
Interesting point of view.
In fact, SCOPE works great in 32Bit and there were no reason for 64Bit other than adressing more memory,- WHEN using SCOPE "standalone".

Unfortunately, SCOPE 7 32Bit suffers from a few issues not being present in SCOPE 4, 4.5 or 5.0/5.1,- and when you want to use all stock SCOPE devices included in v7 (32Bit), you suddenly have to deal w/ these issues.
I bought used PCI cards w/ SCOPE 5.1 keys and the very last from S|C available Luna ADAT expansion card, just only to use my old DAW Win XP machine for mainly VDAT and STS.

It might be crazy,- but I really like the SCOPE sound coming from it´s analog outputs,- PCI (w/ pro plate bal. XLR) and XITE.
Both have character which I don´t find in all-native solutions w/ so called "neutral sounding" audio cards/converters.
XITE is still a step up from PCI.
The "old" A16U converters sound great too,- and digital audio signals as well as MIDI data will never need 64 Bit depth.
LunaMan wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:39 pm ... but there is also an Apollo 'D' option now covering network routing over Dante and while that's a great indicator of the longevity of Sharc DSP - it also represents another market niche spoken for.
Well, I investigated a lot in DANTE, which is very good technology for sure.
But for the home studio, to me it seemed to be like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
IMO it´s great for studios w/ several control- and recording- rooms in need of bi-directional interconnection for lots of audio channels over IP, saving kilometers of analog audio cables,- and it´s great for the big events,- large halls, stadiums and open air.
But hey,- when you work in only a (smaller) single room or two, it´s simply not worth the investment and trouble.

I bought 2 ADAT extender units https://appsys.ch/en/products/adat-tool ... dx-64b-pro in good condition and for cheap from a PA company changing their system and that´s it.
Between these 2 units, 2x 100m (approx. 30 feet) Cat5 cables are possible at max. and it´s 2x 8 ADAT ports per unit, each port freely configurable as ADAT-In or Out via DIP switches,- and when sacrificing 1 ADAT channel, BNC wordclock will be transmitted too.
Each unit offers a BNC connector for that purpose.
For these units and 2x 15m CAT5 cable I payed less than EUR 200,- and that system connects 2x 32Bit SCOPE (5.1 and 7) PCI on different computers as well as XITE-1 (Scope7 x64) and the main DAW (Win 7 x64) w/ RME Raydat across 2 rooms.
Relatively short ADAT cables run to these 2 ADAT extender units, each one in a different room.

Unfortunately, I didn´t find these ADAT extenders offering 2 MIDI DIN ports in addition,- these were sold already before I pulled the trigger.
Means,- now I need iConnectivity and rtpMIDI for MIDI over IP in addition,- but all-in-all still much cheaper than any quality DANTE unit.

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Bud Weiser wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:31 pm Well, I investigated a lot in DANTE, which is very good technology for sure.
But for the home studio, to me it seemed to be like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
IMO it´s great for studios w/ several control- and recording- rooms in need of bi-directional interconnection for lots of audio channels over IP, saving kilometers of analog audio cables,- and it´s great for the big events,- large halls, stadiums and open air.
But hey,- when you work in only a (smaller) single room or two, it´s simply not worth the investment and trouble.
It's not for (single room) home studio at all. For start there's no A/D.
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LunaMan wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:40 pm
Bud Weiser wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:31 pm ... DANTE, ...
It's not for (single room) home studio at all. For start there's no A/D.
At a 1st glance, I´ve found that Yamaha DM3 https://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_dm3.htm being interesting for a smaller setup and then w/ DANTE virtual soundcard on the DAW machine.
But I didn´t want the investment and disliked the DANTE virtual soundcard´s latency adds to the ASIO latency.
So, the "ancient" ADAT solution was better for me.

OTOH,- a optional small DANTE extension box via XTDM port connectivity for XITE and possibly w/ MIDI support included, would be interesting too.

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Thunderbolt works for me
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Me. I can’t see me ever replacing scope.

It’s still the complete and utter center of the studio.

Scope 7 on windows 10.

I just went through the stuff and got rid of anything that don’t work right in 64bit and what’s left (95%) is utterly fantastic. With devs such as space f still pumping out new devices that are wonderful.

I love it. They got it right 20 years ago.

Cubase 14 s banging on about “modulation”

I’m like, meh. Been doing that since forever on scope.

8 is welcome and I’m looking forward to hopefully having the sts samplers back in 64bit.

But my gosh, I’m still inspired by scope and still making pro sounding music with it.
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you sound excited...
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fra77x2 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:58 am you sound excited...
:D
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