Nails in the Coffin

[valis]

HA! Rand Paul's handlers won't let him do anymore national television. He thinks Obama should stop picking on BP and we should legalize discrimination. Turns out from his past talk show appearances that he's another one of these conspiracy nut jobs. The libertarians are even worse than most republicans!

You REALLY have no clue.

....and they still lied.

Jimmy seems to be right, he's just parroting what he sees & hears elsewhere. Picking on Ron Paul's son right now is popular since R. Paul has consistently taken the Fed. to the table to try to get an audit...and finally at least got one (limited and unfortunately still 'overseen' by the Fed itself.)

Could also point out (especially given the lack of context of his posting) that he's fallen prey to the "Changing the subject" sub-fallacy referred to as Attacking the Person

[siriusbliss]

Could also point out (especially given the lack of context of his posting) that he's fallen prey to the "Changing the subject" sub-fallacy referred to as Attacking the Person

Exactly.
Pointing out that the Libtards at MSNBC (owned by GE - largest military contractor on the planet) essentially operate at the beck and call of the Neocon/Cheney/Halliburton regime. It's classic Dialectic. Play both sides against the middle.

Attack the person. Distract from real issues. Ignore the potential auditing of the Fed (although as you now say - compromised by Dodd, etc.), while doing nothing in stopping BP and taking control of the cleanup of the oil volcano (also, AFAIK it's in international waters anyways).

But I DIGRESS....

They lied.

[dawman]

I don't even need to read the Huffington Post.
I can come here and read Braincells remarkable quotes and hear the daily talking points of MSNBC all in one stop.
Its a great way to avoid turning on a televison, and great entertainment during Modular breaks.
I never see or hear any " right wing " rhetoric on the forums I frequent, only the predictably boring " left wing " nonsense.
I guess the " Southern Racists " are too busy working and don't have time.
Somebody has to pay taxes for the unemployable....

[garyb]

and guess what?
the co2 warming theory is still a hoax based on faked data through all of this nonsense...

[garyb]

ok.
no need to be bitter, though. now you can turn your attention towards something more beneficial.

[braincell]

Jimmy seems to be right, he's just parroting what he sees & hears elsewhere.

I heard Rand Paul Speak on television myself several times. That is what my opinion of him is based on. He needs no help making a total idiot of himself. It's interesting that even some republicans are backing away from him.

[next to nothing]

Like EE alarms and aliens.

You want to believe, but you dont know.

I have seen several fake pictures of aliens, so there is no life on other planets.

[garyb]

sorry, that is a bad analogy ntn, and someone of your intellect understands that clearly, so i'll assume you're just trying to troll me and i'll respond accordingly(i don't mind giving a troll some attention). i'm not surprised by the lame response from stardust, his feelings are hurt that the thing he believes in is fake and a guy like me, whom he dislikes, would be the one telling him, so he gives an emotional response. that's human and i'm no better. the thing is, YOU are more rational than that(or so you've indicated in your posts).

fake picture of aliens would prove the the aliens in the pictures didn't exist. fake data showing man-made co2 driven global warming when no REAL data can be found showing the same indicates an untrue theory. this is BASIC science.

mock away, it won't change the truth. the truth is, the big global warming scare was a hoax. it was all about things that MIGHT happen, never things that WILL happen. it was like a Harry Potter story. if one suspended reality, it was a world that seemed real. the FACT is, there's no starting or stopping climate change, nor would doing either be a good idea. the earth's climate has ALWAYS been this variable. what does it take for the braindead to see that you will definitely be in a warming period if an ice age is over? well, since it's the braindead asked about, i guess the answer should be obvious. the braindead will never be able to see, their brains are dead and dead brains can't function.

[siriusbliss]

Jimmy seems to be right, he's just parroting what he sees & hears elsewhere.

I heard Rand Paul Speak on television myself several times. That is what my opinion of him is based on. He needs no help making a total idiot of himself. It's interesting that even some republicans are backing away from him.

The libtard Dems and Neocon shills are too dumbed down by their own lost ideologies to even understand the context of what Paul is talking about.
People don't even know what's in the original bill, or worse yet, don't know what the Constitution dictates.

Why don't you start another topic instead of diverting from this one (since you have nothing more to debate on)?

they lied.

[valis]

I saw George Bush speak on television a few times during his presidency, and curiously he was almost a completely different person than what I recalled from when I lived in Texas and he was Gub'nor. Almost as if by magic his 'drawl' and affable personality had shown up on the international stage, which is curious because he may have been a 'party boy' but he didn't seem dim-witted or even Texan when he was the Governor of Texas. Politics is a strange business...and I know this is a cliche reference now for the 'conspiracy' blog types but since I did live in Texas it's still a sound observation as well.

Unlike braincell's foreign injection of Rand Paul distractions, my example of Bush has some relevance here. During Bush's administration (when this thread started I think?) there was a lot of press coverage of the Bush administration's denial of Global Warming and this was easily explained away. What Oil Baron wants to hurt their own business? However consider that ploy as well, using 'bad' Mr. Bush and his obviously 'evil' oil-grabbing administration's denial of something to make it look more undeniable...if Bush & Co. deny it then it must be 'more true' on that basis alone...?

Separating the issues from our perception of individuals and other Logical Fallacies would go a long way to making this a saner world (imo).

[braincell]

I brought up Rand Paul because he is huge supporter of the oil corporations which are causing global warming, Gary thinks there is an unlimited supply of oil, both Gary and Greg are Libertarians and also Gary, Greg, and Rand Paul are all paranoid conspiracy theorists.

My post was not at all entirely off topic.

[siriusbliss]

I brought up Rand Paul because he is huge supporter of the oil corporations which are causing global warming, Gary thinks there is an unlimited supply of oil, both Gary and Greg are Libertarians and also Gary, Greg, and Rand Paul are all paranoid conspiracy theorists.

My post was not at all entirely off topic.

Fuck off Braincell. Tired of your clueless blathering.

Obama's highest contributor were BP and Goldman, so put the pieces together and get it through you single braincell organism.
Your narrow-mindedness is beyond compare.

When things are discussed that are outside your narrow view of the world, you fall back on convenient definitions and little compartmentalized hand-fed definitions of the world. You are incapable of thinking for yourself. Sad state of existence.

The Obomba administration and the rest of Congress are all bought-n-paid for shills for these corporate greed-mongering polluters.

So... wake up or fuck off...

[garyb]

well, braincell...

first off, i'm not any of your caracterizations. i'm not especially interested in the Paul family or whatever ridiculous witch hunt the powers that be are cooking up to divert my attention at this time.

i don't think oil is "unlimited", but i DO know that there's a lot of it and that the only shortage involved is the refining capacity, which is a form of price control. i don't think that petroleum is always the best way to go either.

the people who are promoting co2 taxes ARE big oil (the owners of big oil anyway). for example, there's the "inventor of the internet" Al Gore. his father is the main shareholder in Continetal Petroleum, one of the very biggest petroleum companies in the world. Mr. Gore's entire family is in oil. his job was in government...

yes, you're off topic.
the fact remains that the data EVERYONE has used in proving theories about man-made co2 based "global warming", is now KNOWN to be FAKE, as emails documenting the fakery have been found and admitted to.

it doesn't matter if everything else i say is up for debate or is hokum. the hoaxing can't be denied. it's unhealthy to deny the truth right in your face.

[garyb]

go ahead and sit and spin. spin won't get you anywhere.

i should know if i belong to a club or not.

your "carbonate" spiel might make sense, if the earth hadn't had significantly higher levels of co2 in the past, with similar climate.

still, IT DOESN'T MATTER if you "believe in what i say"(politics) or not. what is, is and often what is is NOT a mystery. such is the case of the great "global warming" scam that is now called "climate change" since the warming hasn't actually happened, unless you're going to try to blame the end of a mini ice age on people. personally, i'll take a warm period over an ice age, anyday. wake me up when my home is unerwater from the total meltdown of all ice, something that's not happening according to the actual surveys(unless you compare summer levels to winter ones). it's not like there's EVER the same amount of ice year to year. 10 or even 75 years means NOTHING climatically or geologically.

if ALL the theories are based on the same lies, then the theories MUST be false, regardless of one's emotions. i'm happy to continue the statement for the amusment(or not) of all.

the lie has been verified and admitted. get over it. it's a good thing to keep the environment reasonably neat and clean, that's not an argument. carbon taxes are a scam, there's NO WAY for a carbon tax to do anything but create further poverty and to further control, and that's exactly what the proponents of such taxes say, in the nicest words possible.

it's nicer to be euthanized than murdered, right? nice words make everything ok, even lies it seems. belive whatever you want. if you weant to believe in the tooth fairy, i don't mind, but i'll probably mock you for it a bit, just like you like to mock me for thinking for myself, stardust.

[Zer]

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[siriusbliss]

Certainly the biggest offense to the contemporary owners of ultimate truths in this thread is to apply categories.

Still the categories - any categories - are more than valid.
Up to now the infamous propagandists excel in shady theories and nebulous unspecific anarchy.
Never sure if it is by intention or just a 'cool' way of having an alibi for anything.

Clueless denial in short.
The lack of practicable action beyond overemphasizing individualism in the tradition of - no surprise - anarchistic libertarians is exactly why your political propaganda is nothing more than a storm in a teacup.
Pardon - a storm in a music gear forum's off topic thread runnning in the narrow circles of a few self declared know it alls.

As soon as you guys become practical you gain credibility.
As soon as your claims do not just support the next lobby or the other depletion or the chauvinistic inertia.

Until then you are armchair conpiracy theorists and (highly complex) whiners.

This is now for gary:
CO2 and other carbonates emission is increasing in accordance with the energy consumption of "civilisation".
There is a climate change happening influenced by many factors including explicetly a significant man made one.
The correlation is not finally verified or falsified.

And now the joke:
You know the ultimate truth already for the sake of your political agenda that you dont even clearly state.

Predictable response. Relegated to attacking character or style rather than substance. Negate primary context while contextualizing both sides against the middle.
Convenient spin around spin around, but contribute nothing.

When people run out of debate, then they conveniently park everything into 'conspiracy theory' status, since they obviously haven't looked at data.
You're brainwashed into not thinking for yourself since the elitists hand you your definition of denial called 'theory'.

Can't see beyond calling people 'know it all's, or 'deniars', or 'libertarians', or 'inbreds', because that's all you're left with - convenient shallow definitions that give you vein satisfaction while turning away from the truth.

These so-called 'scientists' lied. Period.
Measuring only CO2 over a short period of time (compared to the history of the planet) while ignoring all the other historic data going back thousands of years still doesn't automatically equate to man-made climate change.

Greg

[next to nothing]

Fuck off Braincell. Tired of your clueless blathering.

Obama's highest contributor were BP and Goldman, so put the pieces together and get it through you single braincell organism.
Your narrow-mindedness is beyond compare.

When things are discussed that are outside your narrow view of the world, you fall back on convenient definitions and little compartmentalized hand-fed definitions of the world. You are incapable of thinking for yourself. Sad state of existence.

The Obomba administration and the rest of Congress are all bought-n-paid for shills for these corporate greed-mongering polluters.

So... wake up or fuck off...

Siriusbliss, do you feel this is anything else than "attacking character or style rather than substance"?

[valis]

I think R.A.W. might retort that people tend to pull those around them down to their circuit of functioning since that's where they understand what you're communicating (ie, their level of understanding.)

[garyb]

anything to avoid a simple truth...

everyone thinks they're pretty smart, even if they are obviously ignorant even to themselves.

it really makes me laugh that people can't face the fact that the data was all made up. they behave like it's such a personal injury when they themselves were at worst mislead. these people who can't deal with the fact that the world is being hoaxed have only an emotional attachment to the lie, they certainly had nothing to do with it's inception, so no one's calling them(the injured believers) liars!

[David]

So what is the best way to help the environment?