The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[Nestor]

Truth over Truth, Reality over Reality:

MASSIVE RIOTS are going on simultaneously in Europe right now: Rome, Greece, Spain, Paris and Portugal at the same time. Police brutality has risen as expected.

And also: Escalated risk of a war in the Middle East:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/world ... hamas.html

[hubird]

you think we don't read and see the news?

[garyb]

i think you read this thread, hubird.

again, i ask you "so what?". your agenda to quiet him seems much more sinister than anything that Nestor posts.

what are you afraid of? you are obviously highly threatened. for that reason alone(that you want to bury such posts), i want to see more and more of these posts.

[Nestor]

I’m fed up with prices going up all the time, but this is exactly what these events are for…

Oil Is Surging And The Shekel Is Sliding On News Of Israeli Air Strikes In Gaza:

http://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-air ... ge-2012-11

[Nestor]

Brussels and some other latest additions has entered the riots in Europe, 100 riots at the same time in Italy...

Well..., everything stated in this forum is becoming FACTUAL, every day and every week of every month..., and this for a whole year already. What else could be possibly needed to understand the REALITY of what we are facing up? The size of this uprise is enormous...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... ml#photo=1

[dawman]

That's the trouble with Socialisitic programs, eventually they run out of money and the lies are exposed, and the people get angry.
I don't blame them. The idea of having to work until you're 50 is outrageous.
What humane nation on Earth could do that to their people....

No surprise the elites over there have an unarmed population. They can do as they wish as they know there will be little consequence if any.
If we took away the poors' iPhone 5s over here there would be RPGs hitting City Hall...

[Nestor]

I know the Spanish and I know the French first hand. Beware, when these people get angry you would be surprised at what they can do bare hand. They have strong spirits that cannot be broken so easily, they will fight for a long, long time. I don’t say that they can defend against this tyranny, no one can, but boy, will they resist!

[dawman]

Water Cannons with varying mixtures of unremovable Dye/Mace will discourage the bravest.
As the marketting manager of a private viewing commented, when we hit them with this mix we can track them, this mix here, which was water cannon w/ a gel mix was meant to be shot/sprayed, then long range tasers are fired with blinding flash grenades, the gel and water on the ground and clothing serve as a super conductive way for the electricy to travel and the stunned crowds are blinded. So there's an entire industry out there more than excited to try out their toys.
I see everything you can imagine at these conventions we gig at, we wear a badge like everyone else so during breaks can sneak off into the Hotel where the real wining and dining from cute hostesses goes on, with demos.
5 years ago I worked this Security Convention for private firms and military where a football sized drone spun about 5 feet off of the ground, damn near silent and it was filming us with thermal sensors marked with traces of this dye that only show up in the dark. THe projector screen showed all us with these little stick-ems we wore in realtime.
During the day the non lethal stains take over a week to wear off and leaves a rash for another week.
I was pretty stunned at the amount of research and energy put into these non lethal programs and many Swedish and German companies were pretty advanced and to hear these people clap about their products really left me with a bad taste in my mouth as in their eyes they are protecting something and have no qualms using it. THey even exclaim that these tactics are deterrences and ensure the people being targetted won't return. They have such "humane" names as the " pacifyer", etc. Shotgun fired entangling nets.
THese are the big toys there are holding out with for the real riots.
Soldier of Fortune and AVN shows share the same convention week, and those guys sell the gear to combat this stuff, so it's like the XCops who invented radar detectors, and the radar makers. So every year this stuff gets better and better, that was 5 years ago, I'd hate to see what they have now.

[Nestor]

Wow, you made me think…, I didn’t know there were such horrible tools available, but this is what we can expect. Here in Chile you see water cannons all the time, but then “electricity”, I have never heard of such a crazy thing

[Nestor]

There we go...
Tel Aviv Target Of Gaza Rocket Attack

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 38283.html

[hubird]

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2808/Isr ... Gaza.dhtml

(I changed the link for another news paper with the same subject, for reasons of a hacked site which Google keeps in a list, no worries tho for those who got the warning, as the problems are seriously said to be solved).

[kensuguro]

ey, hubird, I appreciate you're takin' my word for it, but don't use it like a one trick pony.

Dwelling on negativity too long can be too much, but again, it all has to do with what comes of it. You can still have a constructive discussion about a negative subject. Of course, the discussion needs to be well structured and arguments constructed and presented with care. A bit of emotion perhaps, but at the end of a day, a discussion is a discussion.

Of course, seeing that the structure of the thread veers far from it, I personally do not believe much more can come of it, unless we change our attitude. Many are talking about Nestor or Gary, or me or whoever. Their strategies, tactics or whatever. But really, what is not being discussed is the topic itself.

Hubird, I believe the underlying message of your post is "enough, just stop with the news posting already".. Or, at least that's how I read it from just a few recent pages.. which I think is fine view point. But we can go on to state that, elaborate on the thought without attacking Nestor or any one in particular. I go back to speaking about concepts, not people. And this isn't some strange brand new concept, it's just a basic methodology of discussing opposing views.

If you would rather not discuss, or see these events collected in a specific place, there is nothing holding your responsible for what happens in this thread, or how Nestor relays the information. I mean, they're news already, so it's not like the world doesn't know. So it is possible for you to take a time out, or perhaps not participate in the thread. I assume there are plenty who have already stopped following the thread.. not really because of the initial premise, but because the discussion has already disintegrated.

Bottom line is, Nestor feels strongly that he needs to keep posting these events, and he's no crazy man. I have a lot of respect for Nestor, as I respect you, hubird. But something is causing Nestor's consistent, persistent behavior. I don't really know what it is.. but it's obviously something very big and sort of urgent. The most we can do is try to understand his world view as much as possible, and that's it. People are the way they are for a reason. Usually for very good reasons.

[dawman]

I would have read the link, hope I didn't miss anything, but my ISP had the Big Red Malware Warning Screen so I bailed...

[hubird]

Jimmy, the site had problems with the ads they imported from a hacked adds firm.
It's all safe again, like the site has explained thoroughly (won't give you the link of this tho)
It was mentioned by the news paper forum moderator in the member discussions that Google has the site in a list for a month, but it doesn't mean something is still wrong.
edit: and Google was alraedy approached to change the list.

Will exchange the link for another with the same subject tho.
Sorry, should have taken another news paper site after I got the warning by myself a day earlier

[hubird]

But something is causing Nestor's consistent, persistent behavior. I don't really know what it is.. but it's obviously something very big and sort of urgent.

I call that spamming, but you think differently.
It surprises me that you accept so easily that several members feel upset by Nestors insisting pushing of his 'political' views.
I know of at least three persons who left planetz as 'active' members just because of Nestor's behaviour and obsessive political views, supported by his few patrons.
He presents himself as a so good person, but see what he does.
A admin who's chasing away members by pure stubbornness, how about that?

Your call to Nestor just seems to make him more obsessive.
So if he posts news items, I feel free to do the same.
I'm a political animal, so I like to fight the Illuminati nonsens and end of the world predictions.
Anyone who doesn't like to read this thread for that is free to do so, just like you advise me.

thanks for your post anyway

[dante]

But something is causing Nestor's consistent, persistent behavior. I don't really know what it is.. but it's obviously something very big and sort of urgent.

I call that spamming, but you think differently.
It surprises me that you accept so easily that several members feel upset by Nestors insisting pushing of his 'political' views.
I know of at least three persons who left planetz as 'active' members just because of Nestor's behaviour and obsessive political views, supported by his few patrons.

So these 3 dudes left because of this one big post (??) How does this post effect the funtionality of the whole site from a regular visitors point of view ?

[Nestor]

There are several wars going on now, not just one : Mali, Syria, the Gaza Strip and Israel, and some other fronts are starting in the same area, without forgetting the all relevant “Iran”, which is getting ready for war at high speed. People are dying, blood is spread in the streets and fights are aggravating every day while families of civilians are tearing into pieces, poor innocent people that have nothing to do with the interests of these wars are being destroyed unlawfully, as always… This is the real concern. There is suffering, children massacred by missiles and firearms canisters and other ammunitions, this is the objective situation and it is happening as we talk… It is a serious situation. At the same time there are hundreds of riots alive around the world, HUNDREDS, not even me would have expected so many of them, I was not too dramatic after all. This thread stated that a general war in the Middle East would start, and there it is. It stated (even with a song trilogy to make it into music), that we would have riots and here they are. Why to deny that this thread has been accurate in its predictions? Mathematically, truth has been spoken. It may be a beautiful romantic optimism to deny reality, but this is inconvenient for objectivity.

Now, it is curious to me to see so many words here and there, but nobody has acknowledge that this thread has affirmed already a few things that have crystallized as tangible reality.

Do you guys really understand the situation in which we are and the reason why I am concerned of a possible massive war now that you see it closer to crystallize? This is not a joke or a thread about any particular person or some insignificant states of mind that such or such person may have: the Middle East is in fire and it is getting worst! This is what should concern us, and at the same time an enormous economical crisis is coming to the US that will affect the rest of the world, and particularly, it will destroy Europe’s economy. This is relevant and something we should be concerned and be preparing for.

As you can see, I do not defend myself or get involved in anything else except the topic itself in my posts, and I will not do it because this is not what is important to me or to anyone, least of all talking about myself a simple human being like everybody else. If there are still voluntary slaves to my words in this thread, be welcomed to your own lack of common sense as you will learn by the end, the hard way, that you have spend your time in a miserable way, day after day after day trying uselessly to misinterpret and put down my words into your unreasonable translations, while I will keep doing what I had to do anyways, regardless of your personal caprices or misconceptions, talking and communicating with those cool understandable people I care about. Be my eternal guess if this is what you want to do with your prized time. It really is up to each one of us what to do with his life. This is a thread I opened myself and nobody is forced to be here in any whatsoever way, all on the contrary, I strongly suggest to those feeling uncomfortable, as Ken suggests too, to simply devote their time to something else. This is not a newspaper which has been paid by subscription for ten years and so you cannot get your money back, you can go now forever, right now! I do know personally what to do with my life and time, and I will definitely not waste it in fights that only search the self-affirmation of the ego, the rise of the winner, the rise of the crasher…, this is not my path, not even a stone of it should I walk on.

Thank you Ken for your kind words , all my respects to you too my friend. And to respect you in a realistic way and not just with empty words, I will stay put to what I said and agreed in regard to your words in this thread (which since I said it am fulfilling already). My compromise means that I will not get involved “personally” in fight of words with nobody, I will stick to the topic and its related philosophy. Thank you!

Truth will prevail.

[Nestor]

Ron Paul said “our foreign policy is destined to keep us involved in many wars that we have no business being in”, I couldn’t agree more with this man…

Michael Syder said: “Right now, Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Syria and Iran are all preparing for war”.

As we speak, there is the possibility of a ground assault to Gaza by Israel.

Something like this did not happened since 22 years ago!

The reason for this war is absolutely ridiculous; the reasons given are all false, power is the real answer behind, and the upcoming Israel elections.

[dante]

These are mere skirmishes compared to WW2. The only thing that would compare to those 80 million deaths would most likely be close to total annihilation.

At a point in history the USA was the only atomic power. It could have achieved world domination by force if it wanted, but didn't.

It's not unreasonable to propose that 70 years down the track, if the potential existed for nuclear wipeout of humanity ( Cold War ), it would have already happened.

[Nestor]

Your words make total sense to me.

When a city is guarded by police it is somehow quiet and peaceful, but if you remove the forces of the law out of the city, it becomes the Far West in minutes and hell is open.