The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[hubird]

This was done, again, by the banking system of the criminals which are in power, the Zionists behind the stock market. What they made in Argentina was also the trial of a model, which they then implemented in many countries around the glove, raping people’s goods, for good.

Zionists behind the stockmarkets? Trial of a model to rape other countries?
You sound like a real parrot, a real follower of the fantasies of obscure internet gurus...

[Nestor]

a world that respects humans and expects more from them than just tittilation of base desires

No wonder I resonate with you Gary, you made me vibrate with your words

[dawman]

Well lets assume that 911 happened exactly as were told, since the media is complicit with the Government, case in point, the Gulf War where CNN leaked amphibious assaults to keep the Republican Guard pinned down, then the NYTimes declared on page 1 Hussein Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Then they always use the front page to lie and mislead, but according to law they can retract those statements in x-amount of time to avoid lawsuits, so the retractions can be found the next day on page 34.
Why go so far back to Argentina, just look at Europe and to keep their Ponzi schemes alive, they invested in Goldman Sachs real estate investments, since the markets were soaring.
THe bubble broke, but nobody on Wall Street was hurt very bad were they, we even had the DOJ try these criminals in court and were found innocent, same with John Corzine who stole 1.7 Billion, John Edwards who used our tax dollars to lie and pay hush money for a love child.
Palin destroyed the Republicans in Alaska and when the old wealthy Conservative showed up for court, the ever brilliant DOJ lawyers made an error that a law student wouldn't even do to set him free.
Having said that the " Terrorists " attacked the Finacial, and Military targets as fighter jets helplessly watched.
The 3rd Plane if I were to guess was going after the Federal Reserve.
So even if most folks don't buy the Zionist theory, the " Terrorists " sure exclaimed their Zionist targets didn't they.

[Nestor]

Well lets assume that 911 happened exactly as were told, since the media is complicit with the Government, case in point, the Gulf War where CNN leaked amphibious assaults to keep the Republican Guard pinned down, then the NYTimes declared on page 1 Hussein Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Then they always use the front page to lie and mislead, but according to law they can retract those statements in x-amount of time to avoid lawsuits, so the retractions can be found the next day on page 34.
Why go so far back to Argentina, just look at Europe and to keep their Ponzi schemes alive, they invested in Goldman Sachs real estate investments, since the markets were soaring.
THe bubble broke, but nobody on Wall Street was hurt very bad were they, we even had the DOJ try these criminals in court and were found innocent, same with John Corzine who stole 1.7 Billion, John Edwards who used our tax dollars to lie and pay hush money for a love child.
Palin destroyed the Republicans in Alaska and when the old wealthy Conservative showed up for court, the ever brilliant DOJ lawyers made an error that a law student wouldn't even do to set him free.
Having said that the " Terrorists " attacked the Finacial, and Military targets as fighter jets helplessly watched.
The 3rd Plane if I were to guess was going after the Federal Reserve.
So even if most folks don't buy the Zionist theory, the " Terrorists " sure exclaimed their Zionist targets didn't they.

It is a nightmare, but everything you said here can be demonstrated today if you follow the facts.

Bye the way, you bet we are no longer “a few” those who have discovered the Zionist regime in which we live, it is mainstream knowledge today already pretty much wide spread, and growing every day as more and more people open the Pandora box telling us what is really going on... To me, it is not a matter of believe, it is “facts”, over “facts” and over “facts”. The new world order exists and is ruling the world already, and their headquarter among the many different societies, enterprises, families, international groups, etc., is lead by the Zionists.

[dawman]

I assume being a Chilean you speak Espanol. I am limited to what I call Spanglish, my Mexican brethren wore off on me, and my S.American friends say my Mexican slang is too dramatic, and foul.
Which leads me to the USAs largest Spanish media outlet Unavision.
Owned by an Israeli self proclaimed Zionist. Always wondered why he owned it, plus a German media group as well. Seems he wants to reach a wide crowd.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... qC-UJq2dcA

Money buys favor at our favorite organization that is designed to ensure every human on Earth is protected, cared for and fed.
They are also big on Human Rights, and if you break the laws they have passsed, they will get angry and write you letters, occasionally they visit and get treated like shit, but will return to exclaim they are making progress, etc.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 57XpRtfKJA

Nice to know who's behind the lamestream media we are brainwashed by. If this isn't enough, a supposed Billionaire from Mexico has a huge stake in the NYTimes, as they were going broke and needed help. Nice to know the worlds elites from nation far and near are in control of what tired people view after a day of hard work. They sit on the couch and watch spoonfed news without any research as that requires time.

I must admit though I love the Fox Business Channels financial news gals, I call it the Brunnete Channel, but Lori Rothman is such a major babe, I just stare at her sometimes and couldn't even tell you what she just said.

[hubird]

To me, it is not a matter of believe, it is “facts”, over “facts” and over “facts”. The new world order exists and is ruling the world already, and their headquarter among the many different societies, enterprises, families, international groups, etc., is lead by the Zionists.

Hm...since when did you start reading about politics and society?
And now you are so very sure about your ''findings''?
Sounds to me as if you're just parroting.
Do you know what a zionist is? You do realize that there's a sensitive aspect in talking about NWO or the Elite in relation to Zionists or Jews?
Parroting or purely following won't make you happy, it just shows you are a Believer, not a scientist or analyst.

Btw, where exactly is that 'headquarter' you seem to know so well?

[garyb]

Zionists are not necessarily Jews.
there are some prominent "Jews" who are leaders amongst Zionists and Zionists proclaim a "Jewish" agenda, but just like the Rothschilds claim to be Jews, the Zionists really aren't. Jews in general get the blame, however. i wouldn't say the system is in Zionist hands for this reason. the Rothschild family does own the world banking system outright. this is factual.

i highlight the word "Jewish" because it is a word of distraction. Jewish is like Spanish. the "ish" could be replaced with the word for simile, "like". so in the same way that "spanish" may or may not relate to "Spaniard", meaning "spain-like", Jewish does not necessarily relate to Judeans.

i agree with hubird here, Nestor. calling the banking Zionist only further pollutes the discourse.

[Nestor]

Yes, I do speak Spanish, but I am not Chilean. Your Spanish must be funny, as it would for you to listen at my English I guess

Jews are definitely not Zionists per se, they have nothing to do, directly speaking, with Zionism. They don’t deserve this crap identity thrown onto them to distract the public attention from the real ones. There are Zionists from many different origins and cultures. The Jews community is against this insidious identity, look at that for instance, there are hundreds of videos like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0haybEo- ... re=related

The “banking system” is not the banks themselves. The stock market belongs to Zionists and the “system” behind the mayor banks too. Oversimplifying the idea will not help, I have to agree with that. From my humble perception, the biggest banks in the world belong and are based in their system, perhaps I’m wrong about the percentage, but not about the reality of this fact.

[hubird]

i agree with hubird here, Nestor. calling the banking Zionist only further pollutes the discourse.

thank you. it's complicated enough already.
I say, Nestor often hardly knows the scope of his words.
Hence my suspect of parroting...

[ChrisWerner]

Turkey started to strike on Syria few minutes ago.

[Nestor]

It's so sad, so, so sad...

I regret to say and see this, but this is only the beginning, this is going to go worldwide in the following months as I have been waiting for it to happen.

We are living in a dream..., and this dream is inside each one of us...

[hubird]

It's so sad, so, so sad...

I regret to say and see this, but this is only the beginning, this is going to go worldwide in the following months as I have been waiting for it to happen.

We are living in a dream..., and this dream is inside each one of us...

Man what a drama you can make...

This attack of Turkey could be the start of the beginning of the elimination of the regime of Assad tho.
That's what should happen first anyway, even when it's unsure what will happen after it.
The rebels don't have weapons against Assad's air force, and Assad can't control the cities, so he just bombs them.
Maybe the situation will move a bit now.
A forbidden fly zone for Assad's air force would be a good start.

And no, there's nothing 'going worldwide', except the wind.
You seem to like to make doom prophecies, can't understand why.
The nuclear disaster by the tsunami in Japan was huge compared to what we maybe will see happening to Syria and Iran.
To give some perspective.

I'm not living in a dream by the way, I just follow the news as I always did, and have my thoughts about it.
I just don't draw the same conclusions as you do, but that doesn't make me a dreamer.

[garyb]

how did Assad rise to power anyway...
was it the same way that Saddam rose to power, or the Saudi royal family?

[Nestor]

Here there is some:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad

[garyb]

no info about who his backers are.
looks like the British, just like the rest of the middle east.

[Nestor]

I don't know about that

[garyb]

it was the British and French who partitioned the middle east after world war 1, as the League of Nations(the British and USA and France) mandated. this was the partitioning of the old Ottoman Empire(eastern Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire). the Italians, Greeks, British and Russians were involved in the partitioning of Anatolia. this has a lot to do with WW2, and directly leads to the present-day conflicts. this is why so many wars keep starting in the Balkans...

basically, what's in the news is existing completely divorced from connection to the actual history.

[dawman]

Turkey started to strike on Syria few minutes ago.

They have the largest military around that part of the world and their Pilots train here at Nellis, Fallon NAS which covers most of Nevada.
They train against the Germans who ironically are the best MiG pilots in the world according to many sources, mostly due to the amount of money spent on training.

Many Arab leaders who are covertly involved already, stated at the UN that this is a local problem and WILL be solved locally.
Having Turkey and the wealthy Gulf States working together is a new Ottoman Empire.

[next to nothing]

"this is why so many wars keep starting in the Balkans.."
"basically, what's in the news is existing completely divorced from connection to the actual history"

Well its a double-edged sword. I admit i am not sure if you mean that international wars were ignited in the Balkans (as some where) or if you are saying that international media do not focus enough on the reason behind the late conflicts in the balkans being history based.

Either way, there is one more thing i think should be highlighted, and that is how men in power use history to fufil their intentions, which is especially true regarding the balkans. Milosevic in example wasn't in need of international backing to start his wars, neither was the Kosovoan retaliation after 1999 backed up on an international scale. Men in power use history to trigger conflicts in their interest, also in a purely political/egocentric agenda.

The Ottoman period is ofcourse relevant, but only if you are constantly fed with propaganda denying you to "nullify" history, which i personally think is important for societies to progress. Blood for blood is prehistoric if you ask me (prehistoric is interestingly enough a widely used word, consisting of pre and historic, which indicates that history should have been nullified at some point in time. hm. and yes, Jimmy, i said nullified ), yet a lot of societys swear on keeping it a rule to follow, purely out of bloodthirst. This involves anything from death penalties to "equal justification" in lack of better words, such as tolerated civil "eye for an eye" policies.

I remember having a nightly conversation with a translator in the late 90s in "the Balkans", where i was kind of fed up with the stupidly childish revenge-policies of certain cultures. The talk drifted to being focused on WW II, and i explained how some of my relatives had been treated by the Nazis, how common it is these days for Germans to visit Norway as tourists or them moving here for that matter, and how Norwegians do not hold a grudge against Germans. The shock in the face of the translator was pretty convincing, whereby he uttered "so when are you having your revenge?".

My point is, if you keep focus on what happened in 1389 and not the future, and this is to be the guideline to follow, well you are fucked. You shouldn't ignore it, but neither should it be your guide, and needless to say there is a history before the Ottomans as well.

I say format c: and reinstall.

EDIT: refrased myself.

[garyb]

i'm only saying that all of the conflict in the middle east and indeed the mediterranean is directly related to the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, which was the Byzantine Empire, which was the eastern Roman Empire. in fact, if you read British documents from the whole experience(Lawrence of Arabia et al), they partitions were made specifically to create strife among the various groups to avoid unity in the area and keep control of the resources and strategic locations.

is it good to let old grudges to die?
YES.

always?

maybe...

no amount of politically correct philosophizing will stop the currently grieving to stop grieving. these people have anger and frustration that has been farmed, that needs a real outlet to relive the pressure before an explosion can be avoided.

if the plan is really to eliminate some 6 billion people in the next century, then there MUST be some really bad things to happen. is that the plan? well, only if you believe the UN, those who love to talk about "sustainability" or Eugenics group, it's the plan. i dunno myself.s