The monster of atomic war is upon us, again...

[dawman]

Hey everybody has hidden fears, and for good reasons as media over exemplifies every " crisis " to the point of hysteria.
My 17 year old son actually still has a problem with the silly character from the Movie " Chucky " where an evil, nasty looking Doll becomes alive and kills everyone.
When he was about 10 for joke I bought one and set it in a chair at the end of his bed and he screamed like an Elk in mating season when he awoke.
I think he still hates for that, but I understand how the media can really screw with peoples minds.
It's also why I refuse to watch Faux or MSNBC and other Lamestream media outlets.
NYTimes is also a bought and paid for propoganda machine meant to divide and conquer as their Corporate and Government sponsors pay them for.
I stoill remember when the stenographers of the NYTimes gave Bush the " Weapons Of Mass Destruction " headlines which we all know were a lie meant to justify a foreign occupation.
We live in a world of shit....
Besides, when our time is up, there's not much we can do about it. It's like hearing the sound of an Apache AH-64....There's no sense running, you'll just die tired.

[Nestor]

i agree on what you said about people under control, but i don't understand why still afraid about nuclear war, when today there are several ways to take territory control without destroying the environments.

Well, this is not a matter of logical thoughts... neither a matter of intelligence, all on the contrary... that is why!

[Nestor]

"Now we are really close to the big disasters this thread talks about, it is so obvious by now, it is so easy to make the connections to the mayor things going on in the world politically, military, socially and economically speaking."

Thats your cognitive bias doing the hard work for you. Dont worry, it does the same for me and everyone else, only some people show more cognitive dissonance than others.

What I find a little bit disturbing (but not suprising, it's in the core of the conspiracy theorists) is the Messiah-like position you take on these issues (hence my Hallelujah earlier), and how you claim the other members of this forum of being brainwashed not to see the truth you have "discovered". I actually find the last part quite unfitting.

Best Regards,
another not-offended brainwashed stupid willingly blind self-proclaimed know it all forum member.

I didn’t expect a general different opinion than this one... as I said. I already knew some arrows would be thrown to the void as there is no target to get there. Then I knew that rhetoric would be used as a consequence to justify it.

You have had, since the beginning of this thread, a very serious reading problem with most things I write. Go back and you will see it in our conversations. You tend to interpret these writings in a very “particular” or “close” way. Nevertheless, what I like about you is that despite your constant mistranslations (and some sarcasm too I have to say ) is that you are a good-natured person I can communicate with, and this is something I appreciate. Our problem of understanding is that you base your knowledge or approaches from all sort of established-like-truths things that I totally discard, and I approach my thoughts through things you discard in the other hand, so it is normal that we find marked differences in our ways of thinking.

You willingly understood that I am talking exclusively about the members of this forum…, this is pretty much ridiculous. I guess it is something that you “want” to see, for your convenience in the building of your argument, even if my words talk about mankind as a whole. I have referred to mankind constantly, the streets, people’s understanding and the so. Well, yes, it is for me tiresome that I have to explain you over and over again things like: “no, I did not mean that, I was rather talking about this”.

The fact that there is an elite conspiring against us is no longer a matter of believe. Get out there and you will have all the proves you could possibly need and witness for yourself. It is your choice to open your eyes or not. I think you are much more intelligent that you think you are.

When you say: “another not-offended brainwashed stupid willingly blind self-proclaimed know it all forum member”, you know, and you know it very well, this kind of jargon was NOT meant for you. You know perfectly well whom I’m referring to. Again, you subconsciously “know it” with certainty, but you full yourself so to make your argument fit your choice. Don’t let yourself be influence by other people’s thoughts, and be yourself above all.

[Nestor]

The target you are looking for,
it is withing yourself!

[hubird]

I have referred to mankind constantly, the streets, people’s understanding and the so.

#1 of NtN: The Prophet, the 'Messiah-like' position you take. Planetz is one thing, but mankind is another. forum: Worldz.

It is your choice to open your eyes or not. I think you are much more intelligent that you think you are.

#2. the arrogance of the all knowing Messiah.

Again, you subconsciously “know it” with certainty, but you full yourself so to make your argument fit your choice. Don’t let yourself be influence by other people’s thoughts, and be yourself above all.

#3, by me: not getting the message, and not taking NtN seriously.

NtN didn't understand you wrong, he was exactly to the point.

I say stop playing the foolish Messiah role, it doesn't fit you.
You don't have the natural authority to get 'followers' or believers, that's what I think.
Working with children could be a good thing for you, or making theatre decors, or anything not related to politics or themes which need a clear mind and some feeling for basic logic and bright thinking.

Pure honesty, I know you like that, so I feel free to give my impressions.

Iran deserves a good discussion about possible scenario's in the next future, but me getting showered with doom predictions and new-age bla bla, by someone with Messiah aspirations without much consciousness about his own expressions...mwa, not my peace of cake.

[garyb]

the arrogance of knowing the messiah is an ass....

[Nestor]

the arrogance of knowing the messiah is an ass....

[Nestor]

The target you are looking for,
it is withing yourself!

Yea…, I know, the same folks of always are going to react immediately and rant against, discharge their anger in their deeply asleep systematic mechanical way, in denial of reality in fact, then they will justify their insults talking about their supposed geniality and their “super-knowledgeable-mega-educated-well-prepared-no-comparable-to-any-thing-wisdom” of nothingness, as they have always unsurprisingly done with a few rhetoric words ornamented with a very poor logic that don’t stand any serious analysis, that once and over and over and over again HAVE NOT matched reality. My ideas so far and by the way, have been pretty much accurate as most things I said could eventually happen, ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING. But of course, none of these realities are going to be recognized and no mistake is going to be acknowledged either; no one is going to say “sorry”, but this is all cool for me, I don’t expect respect from people that don’t respect themselves in the first place. Said it in other words: If you send an arrow to a target that does not exist, the arrow will simply get lost in the air. Those who see me as an enemy did not understand my intention, which is why they react.

The target you are looking for,
it is withing yourself!



If you want to harm me: please rise your level of violence at least 3000% above this and then use much, much harder insults, rhetoric denials, psychological artifacts, aggressions, hostility, humiliating language and rudimentary slang, in this way you may perhaps still have the chance of getting an arrow at about 200 meters from my feet… at least a neighbor could tell me about its existence. But…, don’t expect for me to answer to your arrow, thank you, but no, thank you.

[garyb]

sure, Nestor.
although i agree that there are powers and interests that do not intend anything nice for people, and while i think that it's a good thing to wave your arms and say "danger!", i'd at least like to think that there's still the possibility that the worst will not manifest. i can't argue that these things aren't happening, they are. i'm just not ready to say that the forces opposing those worst things is non existant, even if the balance is tipping in a bad way. i can't say absolutely that it's the end, i won't in fact. i don't like to make predictions, because that lets nay sayers have a target to mock. of course, the story goes that no one listened to Noah either.

then again, assuming that those in charge mean only the best for everyone, even if they've been seen doing nice things is naive and completely ignores a real aspect of human nature.

[dawman]

I remember a guy named Wahington who turned down the chance to be a King and just walked away. Those are the types of leaders the world is lacking.
Too many Queens and Kings and the usual lot of small minds that suddenly have a position of power they didn't really earn hence they never really learn.......

Government is not reason, is not eloquent, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

GW

[Nestor]

sure, Nestor.
although i agree that there are powers and interests that do not intend anything nice for people, and while i think that it's a good thing to wave your arms and say "danger!", i'd at least like to think that there's still the possibility that the worst will not manifest. i can't argue that these things aren't happening, they are. i'm just not ready to say that the forces opposing those worst things is non existant, even if the balance is tipping in a bad way. i can't say absolutely that it's the end, i won't in fact. i don't like to make predictions, because that lets nay sayers have a target to mock. of course, the story goes that no one listened to Noah either.

then again, assuming that those in charge mean only the best for everyone, even if they've been seen doing nice things is naive and completely ignores a real aspect of human nature.

That's it Gary! Exactly to the point you’ve gone! But as you can see, thousands and millions of people are not participating in this crusade against those powers, on the contrary, they are so blind that become even part of them with their energy and words. If we would all gather together, which is something I have said many times we should do, we could actually defeat their malevolent plans. But if citizens don’t believe in the first place that there are such plans going on, what can we do then? Not much… So my pessimism does not come from seen the situation as IMPOSIBLE to be solved. What I see impossibly is people understanding and waking up to the situation.

In regard to the upcoming war, I believe there is not much we can do to stop it because it is already in course, its development is an old plan in full exercise today.

Every time we use the verb “to wake up”, they get angry for instance, so…, there is such a distance from fantasy to reality. When someone would tell me, "hey, wake up", I gave them a chance at least, because I consider I can be wrong, but if you think you are right in everything and will never mistake, you are lost... Unfortunately, those in denial of the objective situation of the world today will have to wake up by the force of the events jumping out of their comfortable mind-beds, and this will be way too painful. I would really love for them to see, as soon as possible, what is happening in our planet, this is the real meaning and intention, this is the real interest behind my misinterpreted words.

There are nevertheless options for those like you and me that want to do something and are aware of what is going on.

THIS IS A REAL OPTION:

I very seldom meet someone that really reflects my own thought and feeling like if it was my own mind thinking freely. But now and then this actually happens and it happened with scientist Foster Gamble. I don't know if he is a genuine, honest person, but what is in the movie, it really is my cup of tea, I mean, I support these "ideas". Yes, there are many things to be done if we want to help, it is logically and clearly explained here:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/home

I really recommend for everyone to watch the movie and spread this web and the movie to as many people as possible, it is worth every second of it.

[hubird]

I very seldom meet someone that really reflects my own thought and feeling like if it was my own mind thinking freely. But now and then this actually happens and it happened with scientist Foster Gamble. I don't know if he is a genuine, honest person, but what is in the movie, it really is my cup of tea, I mean, I support these "ideas". Yes, there are many things to be done if we want to help, it is logically and clearly explained here:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/home

I really recommend for everyone to watch the movie and spread this web and the movie to as many people as possible, it is worth every second of it.

Don't believe everything from the net Nestor.
I found this in a split second:

'Foster Gamble, the producer of "Thrive: What On Earth Will It Take?", claims he spent his entire life trying to figure out what has caused the staggering agony and deprivation on planet earth. That is a blatant lie.
Foster Gamble knows the cause.
He has known the cause his entire life...because his filthy rich, consciencless family helped cause the staggering agony and deprivation on planet earth.
So who is Foster Gamble and where did he get the big money to produce "Thrive"? Does the name "Gamble" ring a bell? How about the name Proctor & Gamble? For those who have never heard of Proctor & Gamble, it is a Fortune 500 American multinational corporation. It is one of the world's biggest, most toxic corporate polluters on the face of the earth with an annual turnover of over $68 billion. Is Foster Gamble any relation to Proctor and Gamble? You betcha!
Foster Gamble, the creator/host/co-writer/producer of "Thrive" is an heir and direct descendent of James Gamble of Procter and Gamble. This privileged movie producer was a Princeton frat boy and his partner is a former journalist for Newsweek International which merged with The Daily Beast in November 2010'.

It looks to me he's part of the Evil Elite then...
And take care, you seem to have become the follower you warned us not to become...
Maybe you could try to become Gamble's assistent-Messiah, his apostle, as you a real Messiah can not be a follower at the same time, isn't it?

[Nestor]

Answering with the same rhetoric, (which I dislike just for the fun of it) I would say:

Wasn’t I supposed to be the one to be followed? Bhaaaa

[hubird]

Wasn’t I supposed to be the one to be followed? Bhaaaa

No my friend, it's exactly the opposite: you're supposed to be the one who thinks he should be followed...
Actually you was called to stop acting and thinking like that, remember?

Like I said, basic logic, clear thinking...

[Nestor]

Thank you, but no..., thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lImGpk0wE

[hubird]

links to music instead of messaging... much better already.
Thank you.

[next to nothing]

Nestor, I'll refrain from quoting anything, this is a general reply to your posts after my last one.

First of all I do not have a problem reading your posts. I see what you are saying, even if your lacking skills in english is obvious in much of your writing I think I get the idea of what you are trying to express. You might feel that my critisism is unfair at points, but I would prefer if you then specified what you presume i didn't understand rather than come back with lame rethorics of the type "You have had, since the beginning of this thread, a very serious reading problem with most things I write." and " you know, and you know it very well, this kind of jargon was NOT meant for you.", when you even start the posts by referring to those same claims from earlier. How can that be misinterpeted?

You go forward by claiming most of "your ideas" as being fulfilled while what has been replied to you "HAVE NOT matched reality". Did you even read the link about cognitive dissonance? I would really like to hear which of your ideas that has been fulfilled, but more interestingly I would like to hear from you what you find have not matched reality and why.

And as a slightly weird way of finishing off, I find it amusing how you try to laugh off the messiah-syndrome while blaming others for not joinging the "crusade" a few posts later. Maybe I am not the only one not to understand your writings, maybe the target is within yourself, as you try to spell on several occations.

[next to nothing]

PS: regarding your words:
"If you send an arrow to a target that does not exist, the arrow will simply get lost in the air."

Those who have a firm grasp of how generals laws of physics (and other theories) works, know that the arrow will not get lost in the air, it will fall down due to a well known theory embraced by reknowned scientists and researchers, called "gravity". Unless you are high in space, in which case you are well excused.

[Nestor]

Sorry NtN, but I give up with your fast assumptions, your questions are tiresome. I will not give any more answers to your endless questions about already answered topics from today and on, except for this last one, and of course, I will answer to ongoing conversations as long as they are not coming from the judge's chair you are sitting on today. Honestly, I don’t want to spend any more of my time explaining you obvious things you should understand by yourself already, you say you can properly read me, I doubt it seriously, I don’t think you can... If you disagree, that’s fine, it’s not that bad to disagree anyway, why should you think like I do? But stop asking me to explain myself like if you were the law. What you ask me it is in fact not about real “inquires”, what you want is to corner me into words that will justify your way of thinking, because you don’t ask me “to understand” what I say, but to strengthen your statements.

I don’t need to tell you again what you didn’t understand in past conversations, it is already in the forum, I will not bother myself to go through the pages, look for those answers and then make you a “report” to please you, that would take me too much time and would be unfair as I have already answered you. Nevertheless, reading your posts lately, I can see that you will start all over again asking new questions, so what for? Thinking a little, I remember very well that I said in one of these answers something like: “I am pointing to the moon, and you keep staring at my finger”, or something like that. This is exactly what is happening.

If you don’t see already which are the ideas I have been talking about in this thread that have become facts, WOW! Well…, that would scare me… That would mean you are reading this forum like a sleepwalker. (I am being sarcastic, just in case, so you don’t ask me questions about this one)

Some of these talks sound to me like “ladies talk” after watching the last soap opera or something like that…, I don’t like it sorry. Every time I keep walking, you want me to stop my steps, sit down in front of you, drink coffee and milk (which I don’t like), and then explain you all about the steps. Get up and walk by yourself and you may see them!

I think you complicate your own mind reading me because I am a stone in your shoe. I constantly break your comfortable thinking pattern. Anyway, I sincerely don’t want to bother you ore make you feel uncomfortable, but I have to be myself and think by myself, and with all due respect to your person, I will not surrender to the dominance of your unnecessary questions. You believe in the established, I don’t as much as you do. I will not comply with your requests if they want to tie me down; I’m a free person and will keep being as free as a can be. You don’t realize it perhaps, but you want me to explain life through “your” vision and paradigms, which are not mine.

[Nestor]

Don't believe everything from the net Nestor.
I found this in a split second:

Most ridiculous paradox in the world...