NOAA: last decade was warmest, global warming "undeniable"

[next to nothing]

look, stardust, ntn, i understand that your awesomeness makes it easy for you to lose patience with all the other monkey men in the world. luckily, there's always that solution....

i know some others in history who thought that there were too many of the wrong kind of people and what they did about it....

Hang on, are you insinuating what i think you are? If that is the case the lack of comprehension is well illustrated.

[garyb]

look, stardust, ntn, i understand that your awesomeness makes it easy for you to lose patience with all the other monkey men in the world. luckily, there's always that solution....

i know some others in history who thought that there were too many of the wrong kind of people and what they did about it....

Hang on, are you insinuating what i think you are? If that is the case the lack of comprehension is well illustrated.

my bad, sorry...it just seems that people are always the scapegoat for their leaders' sins, because the monkeys like to follow the leader. the solution to too many people who are ruining the planet is always less people....

one could take my statement as only relating to one particular European character, but i include people like the Popes in the middle ages, Pol Pot, most of the Aztec kings, European Royals around the turn of the 20th century, Thomas Malthus, Henry Ford, H.G Wells, Aldous Huxley, Bertrand Russell, Mao, Edward Bernays and so many others who either wrote about the need to control and cull the population, or who actually instituted horrific purges of tens of thousands or even millions in order to protect their priviledge...

[garyb]

Gary is doing what he always does when there is a need to put his personal ultimate truth in some perspective:
Discrediting the counterpart, patronizing with his self-perceived experience and the usual chauvinistic elevation.

I again have no problem to let you have any opinion you want.
Though do not expect that everyone in the world kneels from impression by your (naturally) limited truths even if you personally think they are universal in time and location.

Trust me, based on my experience they are not.

Back on topic in OT.
I know you are denying man made influence to climate change as your private credo in contradiction to other - credible at least on the same level - opinion leaders.
For you it is consistent then to deny accountability and a need for individual action and to think twice.

Thats why I assume you are romantic - libertarian or just egocentric - and not decent in this aspect of responsibility.
Certainly this is also why you think I am a brainwashed sheep when voicing that there is a need to act in favor of sustainability and ecology.

being responsible is not bad at all. caring about the environment is a stone groove. i care not for romance(definition: an exaggerated or embellised account or explanation, a tale of heroes and mysterious events, made in Rome). i reject the Roman mind except for those entertaining stories...

are you still denying the reality of the end of the little ice age and the warming period that MUST follow such an end?

also, how am i supposed to take the judgment of "not decent"? i'm pretty decent....

[garyb]

well, there you go. what a great reason for you to feel superior while making no difference at all. in MY neighborhood, the biggest destructors of the environment are the Mexican immigrants(not the middle class of Mexican descent). they have garbage EVERYWHERE around their homes and apartments and they buy the worst and most wasteful products. their trashcans are ALWAYS overflowing with waste. it's the poor who buy whatever is put in front of them who are the worst offenders. the middle classes are more discerning, i suppose it's because they feel they can afford to be. the poor just want.

your slander based on your dislike and predjudice gets old, stardust. it's the folks that you look up to that have created this situation. poverty and ignorance are functions of city life and the byproducts of such things only benefit those who have. when there are those who want, those that have call the shots, everytime.

here are some pictures to help with your imagination. oh, and good job changing the subject, from that which you CAN NOT prove. i'm still waiting for your explanation about how the end of the little ice age has nothing to do with rising temperatures....

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my neighborhood is ALL mexican and asian immigrants, with a few black families for good measure. as you can see, they don't give a damn about the environment. so much for the bogus bit of fluff journalism from one of the companies that invented yellow journalism.

[dawman]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3051860643

[garyb]

we do that song....

[dawman]

That's a great tune.
I think it was written in Germany back in the early 1900's.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 5F4C8185F9

There's something about American newspapers with the word " Times."

[garyb]

yeah, actually german spooks tried to make that war a reality, both in ww1 and ww2. most of the animosity between the American and Mexican PEOPLE stems from that time.

the article leads to a pdf of the original article here:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 5F4C8185F9


of course, none of this has anything to do with fake global warming data or even whether or not that data or the data's interpretation is fake.

[braincell]

"The world's largest lakes, including Lake Tahoe, have been warming rapidly for 25 years as the global climate changes, NASA scientists report."


http://tinyurl.com/26hdca7

[dawman]

"The world's largest lakes, including Lake Tahoe, have been warming rapidly for 25 years as the global climate changes, NASA scientists report."
http://tinyurl.com/26hdca7

Obviously these guys can't afford to fly there and see for themselves.
I swim here every summer since 1984 and this is more total Parrot Bull Shit.
The water is 47 degrees farenheit year round, and hardly anyone can stay in the water very long even when the tempurature of the air is 100+ degrees.
Notice the snow in the picture even during the summertime.....?
Perhaps when that disappears and melts they can provide the commoners with more scary graphs and theories.
Regardless of your pathetic copy/paste arguments, and the fact you can't answer why a warming period follows an Ice Age, I still hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving.

[Fluxpod]

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[siriusbliss]

NASA's one of the leading polluters on the planet (and outer space). Not a great source, since there is so much in-fighting.
Too bad the polluters like plastics companies, pesticide companies etc. can just BUY 'carbon credits' so as to circumnavigate regulation and avoid oversight.
The carbon traders in Chicago will get rich while the polluters continue unabated.

[netguyjoel]

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[garyb]

gary you become pathetic in your affects on California's renowned journalistic bastion

i don't care about others. the Times has quite a checkered past and present, for that matter. still, it's the main source for "News" here in LA. it's pretty pathetic for someone from far across the globe to think that he knows more about the local paper than a man who's not only lived with it for nearly 50 years, but has even studied it's history. it's not that there's nothing true in the Times, obviously there is plenty that's true in the Times. there's a whole lot of spin as well and even some out and out falsehoods. believe whatever you want. those figures aren't correct. is there even a mention of exactly how the people were sampled and how those sample results were extrapolated to the whole population? that's why things like polls are used to make such a stupid story, the results are opinions that can't be sued over easily.

but hey, people are pretty ignorant these days. they call spanish speakers "native speakers" and no one even stops to think about the fact that spanish is NOT the native language here in California, or in Mexico and that Mexico got it's independance from the heir the the Austrian(hello, Germany!) throne, not Spain....

way to change the subject. how do you explain the end of the little ice age happening exactly when global warming was supposed to begin? how do you explain the stupid title of this thread when the last decade was far from the warmest in earth's history, or even human history, when in the middle ages Europe was so warm that people only built their hearths outside the home and Greenland and Iceland were rich farming lands?

bring something real to the discussion, not just someone's lies made for children and the ignorant.

[valis]

The carbon traders in Chicago will get rich while the polluters continue unabated.

This has been one of my points, but imo it's not just that they'll get rich but also have a great means to limit the production of smaller competitors beyond what even our current lobbying/political system yields.

[garyb]

yes, it's all quite a scheme...

[dante]

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
I'm studying IPv6...

IPv6 - thats ironic - maybe we should put a tax on IP traffic that contains hot air so we dont run out of IP addresses in 6 months .

[garyb]

it's a series of tubes

always believe authorities.

[netguyjoel]

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
I'm studying IPv6...

IPv6 - thats ironic - maybe we should put a tax on IP traffic that contains hot air so we dont run out of IP addresses in 6 months .

Currently...without any population explosions...every human on the planet will have 3,000,000 IPs each...I think we're good for a while...

[at0m]

While some study newspapers, others study climate... http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Euronews/index.html