Released: FP 106 - C
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A great update for the FP Mixers, adding modulation and controlability.
- highly optimized and extended modulation capabilities and dsp management (A to H = 8 modulation inputs + 4 with reverse by default (A to D) = 12 selectable modulation sources).
- Independant modulation for mono channels "pre-filter" and insert slots (independant mod.source, mod.gain, f.offset)
- Superb and redesigned mod to CC: now converts any of the the 8 modulations and sends CC to mixer's surface parameters in addition to inserts (ie, pan, aux send gain, aux bleedover, volume, buttons and switches, etc...). Longer Lag time, 2 types of CC destination 1// "CC4" (1 source to 4 dest CC) -- 2// 4 independant sources to 4 destinations, each linkable to group 1 lagged output (ie, max = 5 sources and 8 dests, min = 1 source and 1 dest (or 0 if all "off"). Highly optimized (internal+dsp management+vu hide for ui management), - Solo state added i mute/main preset lists, midi program changes on main preset list....
Available now in FP Mixers area.
FP 106C - updated to V 1.6
Thanks, Mehdi! This just keeps on getting better and better!
And really appreciated the Blackbox repack, as I had a copy of your modules in the stereo fx folder to use with RD, and I always had to confirm which module to load before opening a synth!
But what really made me happy was your announcement of the LBH4: seems to be really evolved with the step sequencers and the trigger Oscs. Looking forward to a new Little Big Harp!
keep it up, and once again, Thanks!
T
And really appreciated the Blackbox repack, as I had a copy of your modules in the stereo fx folder to use with RD, and I always had to confirm which module to load before opening a synth!
But what really made me happy was your announcement of the LBH4: seems to be really evolved with the step sequencers and the trigger Oscs. Looking forward to a new Little Big Harp!
keep it up, and once again, Thanks!
T
Hey Kylie,
for the moment i still say it is beta due to a bug that might happen when recalling the midi CC preset on the Solo "Kill" button (there can be an exception and then no CC is recalled).. I am not sure when this will be fixed but the rest of the mixer is fine for release. There will be a note from the spacef website alerts only (may be).
@Jimmy: are you creating a compressed modulation in sidechain
? (in your picture, compressor go to modulation inputs, so the signal could be used to create compressed modulations with sidechain stuff). You can also use delays before the modulation inputs.
for the moment i still say it is beta due to a bug that might happen when recalling the midi CC preset on the Solo "Kill" button (there can be an exception and then no CC is recalled).. I am not sure when this will be fixed but the rest of the mixer is fine for release. There will be a note from the spacef website alerts only (may be).
@Jimmy: are you creating a compressed modulation in sidechain
? (in your picture, compressor go to modulation inputs, so the signal could be used to create compressed modulations with sidechain stuff). You can also use delays before the modulation inputs.
Last edited by spacef on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
I just noticed the beta flag in the dl area and wondered what's it all about...spacef wrote:for the moment i still say it is beta due to a bug that might happen when recalling the midi CC preset on the Solo "Kill" button. I am not sure when this will be fixed but the rest of the mixer is fine for release
-greetings, markus-
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I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
I have no idea what I am doing with these. 
I only know how to use the 3LFO device.
What other options would be useful for the A to H inputs?
The kill solo thing is useful when programming, but live I doubt I will ever use it. It is nice when programming MS presets, but you are already using a mouse, so another mouse click to hit the Kill Solo is O,K, w/ me.
Your constant strive for perfection is impressive though, and much appreciated.
BTW your FB5 is kicking major ass. I love the V82 for DSP's sake, but the FB5 will definately host all DSP synths.
In an all AUX Mix scene, I always leave the built in FAT in it's 1st LED lit position, with the amount at 12 o'clock. This leaves me serious options when mixing several synth channels AUX style. For example, when there seems to be too heavy of an amount of a particular effect that sounds just right everywhere else, but too heavy on a ceretain channel, you boost the amount of FAT higher, then slightly drop the channels fader to compensate in the mix. This adds FAT, and takes the excess effect level down w/o causing the mix levels to be re adjusted everywhere else.
Of course this giant synth mixer needs further separation and that's where the 3LFO's come into play.
I have never used sidechaing, etc. I have no idea what it involves, but always love new tricks, What are some good ideas for synths and sidechainging?
And if you have the time the LFO + EF device I have never used and don't know what it could do.
It has taken me a long time to learn the tricks w. virtual synths and mixing, But once you use the FAT's and the FB5............................Other mixers are just so thin and pale. Although Wolf's recording mixer sounds great when the FAT-II's are inserted, but it lacks the finer tweaks I need like the bleedover AUX functions, etc.
I guess when Stereo AUX's are used that is the deciding factor.
The STM's just don't have 'em.
I am anxious for their 5.1 though. w/ a 5.1 reverb......................Yummy.
I only know how to use the 3LFO device.
What other options would be useful for the A to H inputs?
The kill solo thing is useful when programming, but live I doubt I will ever use it. It is nice when programming MS presets, but you are already using a mouse, so another mouse click to hit the Kill Solo is O,K, w/ me.
Your constant strive for perfection is impressive though, and much appreciated.
BTW your FB5 is kicking major ass. I love the V82 for DSP's sake, but the FB5 will definately host all DSP synths.
In an all AUX Mix scene, I always leave the built in FAT in it's 1st LED lit position, with the amount at 12 o'clock. This leaves me serious options when mixing several synth channels AUX style. For example, when there seems to be too heavy of an amount of a particular effect that sounds just right everywhere else, but too heavy on a ceretain channel, you boost the amount of FAT higher, then slightly drop the channels fader to compensate in the mix. This adds FAT, and takes the excess effect level down w/o causing the mix levels to be re adjusted everywhere else.
Of course this giant synth mixer needs further separation and that's where the 3LFO's come into play.
I have never used sidechaing, etc. I have no idea what it involves, but always love new tricks, What are some good ideas for synths and sidechainging?
And if you have the time the LFO + EF device I have never used and don't know what it could do.
It has taken me a long time to learn the tricks w. virtual synths and mixing, But once you use the FAT's and the FB5............................Other mixers are just so thin and pale. Although Wolf's recording mixer sounds great when the FAT-II's are inserted, but it lacks the finer tweaks I need like the bleedover AUX functions, etc.
I guess when Stereo AUX's are used that is the deciding factor.
The STM's just don't have 'em.
I am anxious for their 5.1 though. w/ a 5.1 reverb......................Yummy.
You could give a try to "expression" that is in the BlackBox tools. It converts a midi cc into audio and can be fed to the mixer (pedal expression to filter=wah wah).
During the summer i'll try to finish the midi clock lfos and a few other simple but useful modulators (adsr, env followers)... last time i tried to finish them i came up with MS and LBH
but the 106C includes some of the new stuff of MS (switch system, mod to cc...).
Sidechaining is mainly used to compress a signal when another signal appears: ie, you compress something with something else.
- Typical: bass line sidechained to kick drum, so kick drum is more defined in the mix as the bassline levels drop down. In synths, i guess it could be a pad sidechained to a solo sound, so pad is lowered when you play solo.
- or a whole mix which volumes drop down when the sound engineers talks to the "cackling hens".... (but it is already called "talkback".
In FP Mixers, you can do sidechaining with the CompSat in mono channels, while the sidechain signal (which triggers the compression) is taken from wherever and fed to one of the modulation inputs (the E to H for example, as you will need positive modulation only).
If the "source/trigger" signal is in the mixer, then you can take it at the individual output, or using the rec-out channel. But you might need a feedback module to feed it back in the modulation inputs (Wolf Audio has some nice feedback module, i have a few but they haven't been tested yet so they can't be released at all).
here is a cool tutorial for sidechaining like the French do
http://sonictransfer.com/side-chain-com ... ml#more-74
During the summer i'll try to finish the midi clock lfos and a few other simple but useful modulators (adsr, env followers)... last time i tried to finish them i came up with MS and LBH
but the 106C includes some of the new stuff of MS (switch system, mod to cc...).Sidechaining is mainly used to compress a signal when another signal appears: ie, you compress something with something else.
- Typical: bass line sidechained to kick drum, so kick drum is more defined in the mix as the bassline levels drop down. In synths, i guess it could be a pad sidechained to a solo sound, so pad is lowered when you play solo.
- or a whole mix which volumes drop down when the sound engineers talks to the "cackling hens".... (but it is already called "talkback"
.In FP Mixers, you can do sidechaining with the CompSat in mono channels, while the sidechain signal (which triggers the compression) is taken from wherever and fed to one of the modulation inputs (the E to H for example, as you will need positive modulation only).
If the "source/trigger" signal is in the mixer, then you can take it at the individual output, or using the rec-out channel. But you might need a feedback module to feed it back in the modulation inputs (Wolf Audio has some nice feedback module, i have a few but they haven't been tested yet so they can't be released at all).
here is a cool tutorial for sidechaining like the French do
http://sonictransfer.com/side-chain-com ... ml#more-74
Thats excellent idea of pads lowering during solos.
I ahev LimFat to use when solos are on the analog since it's volumes are hard to control, I simply crank 'em up knowing LimFat will tame their wild volume jumps per preset.
But when using DSP synths for solos, they would definatrely benefit from sidechaining, as their volumes are harder to separate live using conventional methods.
The article is great, thanks for the tip.
I ahev LimFat to use when solos are on the analog since it's volumes are hard to control, I simply crank 'em up knowing LimFat will tame their wild volume jumps per preset.
But when using DSP synths for solos, they would definatrely benefit from sidechaining, as their volumes are harder to separate live using conventional methods.
The article is great, thanks for the tip.
Glad to help, but beware of the lousy effect you get when overducking (i always hate it when the music suddenly drops down after the intro, which is what often happens on radio broadcasts with plain compression but with sidechaining the same effect can happen.
nb: 106-C is final. If you already downloaded the "beta3" of june 9, there's no need to redownload it (it is the same file, not a new one).
Happy mixing !
Mehdi
nb: 106-C is final. If you already downloaded the "beta3" of june 9, there's no need to redownload it (it is the same file, not a new one).
Happy mixing !
Mehdi
Re: SpaceF - FP Mixers 104 & 106 + (Updated to 106C)
The MB4 "1" device has been replaced with one with the mono outs as in the early versions.
Only the zip has been replaced, the web page looks the same as before (no news about updates or else)...
so the download link, and the zip file itself, still show v 1.2 but it is a newer version (i just outputed the mono channel).
The mono output can be useful to send a sum of the mix L/R to a subwoofer (and by using an appropriate filter if needed, between the mono out and the sub)
Have fun !!
Mehdi
Only the zip has been replaced, the web page looks the same as before (no news about updates or else)...
so the download link, and the zip file itself, still show v 1.2 but it is a newer version (i just outputed the mono channel).
The mono output can be useful to send a sum of the mix L/R to a subwoofer (and by using an appropriate filter if needed, between the mono out and the sub)
Have fun !!
Mehdi
Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
FP106C updated to v1.5
- Turbo-fast UI (essential update)
- Optimized graphics with much faster vu meters, much lighter panels, much faster module load time...
- Various minor improvements.
For more info: http://www.spacef-devices.com/
FP106C+MB4-II=
- Turbo-fast UI (essential update)
- Optimized graphics with much faster vu meters, much lighter panels, much faster module load time...
- Various minor improvements.
For more info: http://www.spacef-devices.com/
FP106C+MB4-II=
Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
Thanks a lot Mehdi!
Essential update indeed
First, when i loaded 2x fp106 in my screen, CPU raised with 40/50% per mixer. Quite unusable first, Now it works very smooth with superfast metering... cpu stays on almost the same level..
Also switching to the different mixer layers goes much faster... Also pot meters for the filters on stereo channels 9/10 are fixed now...
Awesome, thanks again!
Essential update indeed
First, when i loaded 2x fp106 in my screen, CPU raised with 40/50% per mixer. Quite unusable first, Now it works very smooth with superfast metering... cpu stays on almost the same level..
Also switching to the different mixer layers goes much faster... Also pot meters for the filters on stereo channels 9/10 are fixed now...
Awesome, thanks again!
Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
I have been busy all day with this.
I believe the way you meant for these to be used is exemplary.
My screen will show the essential features while still allowing access to the Live Bar in it's collapsed state.
I was so worried about having to add screen real estate but I really another screen for Scores instead of a routing window, etc.
This will allow access to any onstage tweaks I might need.
The Fader device is awesome, and I can go from EPianos straight, to panned or tremolo, to the Leslie or to MoJo, WBTW makes a Rhodes, B2003 and Wurly sound very realistic.
I will route the hardware Solaris and my SE-1X back into Scope with full MIDI controls for buttons and knobs via Experssion pedals or footswitches.
Let's hope I can add LBV VIII & MultiSynth because right now I am out of juice.
But the mixers have been tweaked very well because I can have 4 parts of the QWave w/ 2 voices each and the B2003. Before I was seeing optimise windows and only 4 voices.
You've obviously designed these with excellent foresight as they are perfect for the screen, and add so many options.
I can't wait for the X Beast so I can start adding effects and the other synths.
The merge functions will allow me to gang faders and knobs to a single fader or knob on the KS88 now.
I gotta re-do my whole rig now, but it's all GOOD......
I believe the way you meant for these to be used is exemplary.
My screen will show the essential features while still allowing access to the Live Bar in it's collapsed state.
I was so worried about having to add screen real estate but I really another screen for Scores instead of a routing window, etc.
This will allow access to any onstage tweaks I might need.
The Fader device is awesome, and I can go from EPianos straight, to panned or tremolo, to the Leslie or to MoJo, WBTW makes a Rhodes, B2003 and Wurly sound very realistic.
I will route the hardware Solaris and my SE-1X back into Scope with full MIDI controls for buttons and knobs via Experssion pedals or footswitches.
Let's hope I can add LBV VIII & MultiSynth because right now I am out of juice.
But the mixers have been tweaked very well because I can have 4 parts of the QWave w/ 2 voices each and the B2003. Before I was seeing optimise windows and only 4 voices.
You've obviously designed these with excellent foresight as they are perfect for the screen, and add so many options.
I can't wait for the X Beast so I can start adding effects and the other synths.
The merge functions will allow me to gang faders and knobs to a single fader or knob on the KS88 now.
I gotta re-do my whole rig now, but it's all GOOD......
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Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
I am definitely considering this for guitar submix during tracking.
It should be happy with Xite.
Greg
It should be happy with Xite.
Greg
Xite rig - ADK laptop - i7 975 3.33 GHz Quad w/HT 8meg cache /MDR3-4G/1066SODIMM / VD-GGTX280M nVidia GeForce GTX 280M w/1GB DDR3
Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
There's nothing more fun than using Mehdi's CC2 to gang faders to whatever position you want, and at the speed you want it to travel.
I have not found a use for them yet other than watching my own virtual motorized faders going all over the place.
I have not found a use for them yet other than watching my own virtual motorized faders going all over the place.
Re: FP 106C - updated to V 1.5
Ahhh f.. it! I shall do what must be done to buy it!
Maybe next Saturday, if I have the courage to travel back to France...
Maybe next Saturday, if I have the courage to travel back to France...