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no, i'm just bossy. :lol:

i usually do qualify my position.

look, it's like this. i see a guy whose nose is stuffy. he(his nose) really isn't smelling so good, neither is his eyesight too sharp at the moment. i see that he's about to get tricked into eating a sandwich full of poop that the local bozo has made for him. the bozo is giggling sooo hard about it he's starting to tear up. the problem is that the first guy trusts the bozo implicitly. i say, "hey! guy! don't eat that, it's poop!". the guy says "#@@##$ you, this is MY sandwich", so i have to let him eat it. because i'm not a hater, i say "'wait! wait! don't do it! it's poop, i tell you!". the guy says, "stop talking so loud and stop telling me what to do". and so it goes....

stardust, i'm really sorry that when people disagree with me and argue, that i am fully willing to engage the other in the conversation. i'm not concerned with having a popular opinion, but at least the opinion is well thought out and reasoned(hopefully) and i can explain my position. i'm also able to define my terms to further explain my meaning. isn't that the point of the arguement, not to be right, but to communicate and seek clarity?

i'm used to being nay-say'ed, it doesn't bother me, though it always amuses me that the nay-sayer is as sure of his viewpoint as i am, even more so, whether or not he has actually fully investigated the evidence of my(or anyone's) point. ooops, i guess the point just broke and it's a little dull now. :cry:

it's o.k.. all i said was that the universe is complete and whole, that nothing is lost or gained and i gave a reasoned example using common terminology which exists for the sole purpose of describing the universe, as evidence. for me personally, evidence is enough. for another person, maybe not. but the fact remains that the responses i've gotten have NOTHING to do with the points i've made, so i patiently keep repeating myself until i get a response that indicates a connection and a conversation. you can call it bossy if you like. for example, i could call most who have spoken Satanists, or at least Luciferians, but then i'd get an emotional response which would not be based on sight or understanding. rather the response would be based on some pop or cultural icon that had NOTHING to do with the reality of the term. so, i keep trying to define my terms. once again, Humpty Dumpty thought words meant just what he said them to and nothing more. unfortunately, he wasn't a wise man. he was an egg who loved to sit on high walls and claim knowledge of everything. it was only a matter of time before he fell off the wall(he got excited and moved too quickly and eggs are round). naturally, all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't fix him.

why is it always all or nothing anyway? nobody knows EVERYTHING, but all can know SOMETHING. what do they know? only the knower knows what he knows.... :lol:

the universe is NOT subjective, only our thoughts about it are. you(or i) may claim i can't know this anyway, but that doesn't worry me either. as i said, i'm comfortable with the paradox. i have no illusions that all knowledge is nearly in man's grasp. and, because i love you, :lol: whether i am wrong or right, when i see something that looks like poop, i will most likely say something.... :lol:

c'mon guys,
don't be so grouchy!
at least we took a minute to talk of such things!
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garyb wrote:the universe is NOT subjective, only our thoughts about it are.
Exactly. You can't imagine how much do we agree on this... :) . I think I'm not missing a real discussion nor the listening of your points if I find this statement of yours conflicting with some other ones. I simply think that you (we) only have thoughts about anything, we can't escape subjectivity, unless we use conventions which are nothing else than accepted averages of subjectivity, for social and operative purposes.
garyb wrote: ..... because i love you, :lol: whether i am wrong or right, when i see something that looks like poop, i will most likely say something.... :lol:
Same here. When I see some food where the ingredients are too generically listed or no listed at all I try to suggest everybody not to eat it. But you now, hunger sometimes is more strong than prudence, any explanation is often preferred to no explanation.
garyb wrote:c'mon guys,
don't be so grouchy!
at least we took a minute to talk of such things!
Absolutely, :)
real friends are those who allow you to disagree, without bad feelings, the most useful relation.
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That's cause your one of the few saying to that guy: don't eat it!
More people explaining the reasons why it's a mistake to eat that thing (exercising their right of free loud speak) might be way more persuasive. If not overwhelmed by an overwhelming multitude of messing voices.
Though, all is related to the lifestyle of this hungry people. It could result kind of incoherent having no care of the ingredient list and of the origin of the food for some people; nevertheless more of them don't care.
As for the hunger, no alternatives? I've always heard it's good to remain with some hunger, though.

I've read lot of linguistic (I'm just surprised nobody mentioned Noam Chomsky), psychological, physical and metaphysical disquisitions above.
But very few about social and interpersonal implications.
My 'coincidences' are generated by a social context.
Kind of cheap gossips of a global village subjugated to the strict but somehow comfortable rules (if lighted from the right angle) of a underhand central control.
I'm subject of this gossip. It comes even from people I neither know. And my life is VERY full of this in these days.
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Can you say what it is they are saying about you and who they are or is this too personal to mention here?
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Personal ????

Looks like I've got no longer a private life. And I don't earn any money and haven't got any success, the way I could say: well it's just the other side of the coin..
This happens so often during times like this, from people I never known (and from known people too), that my mind starts to suspect of everything/everyone.
I can just stay in solitary confinement for a while to normalize a bit my thoughts
Mens, I'm in solitary confinement from now.
Nobody has read my rights to me, though...

Well I can always listen at The Clash for that...
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I hope things get better for you.
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Thx braincell
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1984
i'll just call you Winston....
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the bible.
i just call you jesus

;)
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Cochise wrote: ...

Well I can always listen at The Clash for that...
And considering the distance between the buildings rising around now just beyond my windows, even Rock in the Casbah should resound pretty good...
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next to nothing wrote:the bible.
i just call you jesus

;)
Jesus? Why that? No miracles from me...
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nah, it was directed to Gary :)
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*yawn*
miracles are too tiring... :roll:
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aha! so thats why there weren't any real miracles lately...

Gary, do not forsake us :P
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There has to be a critical mass of millions of believers for a miracle to be accepted, otherwise it's going to be just considered insanity. People are more skeptical today (thankfully), as for the miracles from ancient days; I guess we will have to wait another 1,000 years or so for those myths to die off.
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1000 years or global catastrophe whichever comes first...
(my bet is on the latter)
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no need to worry, we have YouTube for that :D
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I meant to establish miracles with a possibly critical mass of spectators
any direction, motivation, ambition applies...

cheers, Tom :D
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all media, electronic and print is for that function.
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ReD_MuZe wrote:1000 years or global catastrophe whichever comes first...
(my bet is on the latter)
If it's that important to preserve our species (and I'm not sure it is), we will probably have a few hundred people on the moon and mars by then. Underground on earth would be cheaper though. It doesn't seem like a pleasant thought but it's possible. People are spending more and more time inside anyway.
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