Are we really going to suffer microchip implants?

[Liquid Len]

Do these microchips control our consciousness or something? A massive tracking system would be easy to abuse, yes, but do they read our thoughts now?

[Nestor]

It seems that they will work with microvolts sending commands to certain areas of your brain, so they say

[Neil B]

It seems that they will work with microvolts sending commands to certain areas of your brain, so they say

So how does it work with women?

[King of Snake]

I must say I'm not too worried about all the supposed conspiracies regularly presented here on the forum, but I am really pissed off about that fact that from next year on my country's passports will require a fingerprint which is gonna be stored into a big database "to catch criminals". So everyone's a potential criminal now, great. And not one real criminal or terrorist is gonna get himself caught that way anyway.
Just like the ridiculous airport security. Harassing all the passengers with their stupid transparent plastic bags to put in your "liquids" while at the same time a reporter proves the failure of the system by walking in unchecked trough the personnel entrance, with another person's id card and a fake fucking bomb in his bag. God I feel so much safer now that the old lady in front of me has put her makeup in a plastic bag while the unchecked personnel are sneaking drugs and bombs onto the plane.

Not to mention the compulsory identification which was brought in last year or so (I still refuse to carry my ID with me all the time, but if the police "caught me" they could fine me for it).
Oh yeah and now we also get a new digital public transport-card, which of course has to be a personalised and trackable card as well

yet a lot of people seem to enjoy this fake security and come at you with the same old argument "well if you've got nothing to hide, what do you care?"

[Liquid Len]

Well obviously if they're using electricity it is tiny impulses if they are going to do anything with an internal organ but destroy it, but that's not exactly informative, nothing but speculation, as far as I am concerned. They must be doing some hellish amounts of research in private, I wasn't aware of any such ability to have sophisticated control of your neurons, one way or another. They have made a lot of interesting discoveries, the ability to manipulate and control people is still nothing but crude IMO. Just like their silly anti-depressants (and more serious but still far from all-powerful cults using classic manipulation techniques). The idea of 'reading' or 'writing' to a brain at this point is nothing but Star Trek fantasy, unless all that I know about brain science is deliberately dumbed down science. In that case, how do you know they can't simply read your mind ALREADY from electric voltages in your computer keyboard? How do you know vaccines and foods don't already contain nanobots that aid in their tracking and control? Hmm, I feel an irresistable urge to go eat now. Must be those scientists at it again!

On a somewhat related note, I also found it amusing that movie like Zietgiest spends its first half discrediting Christianity, with mostly ridiculously inaccurate facts, and it concludes with a warning about this microchipping! Hmm. Christianity is a fake, so we must beware the Revelations end time scenario - is there something wrong with this picture? (This is not an endorsement of any religion per se, as I'm sure most except for the Extremist Atheists understand).

[garyb]

KoS,
these laws are standardized and going into effect in every country. they are part of Agenda for the 21st century by the UN....

[Nestor]

What is difficult some how, is to understand the bottom line of it all. I mean, if you have some earnings out of it, but… submerging the world in darkness and pain doesn’t seem to be intelligent for those in charge, as THEY are going to be affected too.

I would like to understand the logical side of those things going on in the earth, but it is so irrational as a whole, that I don’t gain the inner momentum to actually grasp what they’re talking about.

I understand somebody stilling something, of course, I am not with him, but I understand that he wants to make his life easier taking other people goods… No way, whichever acting like this it’s a bastard! But at least, I understand the plot. But here… a global government crashing the world all together, it is something I don’t understand fully yet.

I would love to have a talk disguised as somebody else, with one of those BIG fish that are behind the veil of tyranny and repression, to find out WHICH is exactly their philology and WHY they want to put the world into pieces.

[garyb]

if the goal is absolute power, then the unthinkable is acceptable.

they won't suffer if the world is plunged into darkness. they have servants.

the philosophy is ordo ab chao.

[Nestor]

That makes sense Gary, unfortunately... Never thought of "absolute" power...

[hubird]

you're free to refuse implants

[King of Snake]

you're free to refuse implants

for now yes. But it's not unthinkable that in the case the current political climate stays as it is for the next 25 years or so, at some point we will be required to have a biometric passport implanted at birth and linked to a big government database.

omg I'm starting to sound like GaryB now

*puts on tin-foil hat*

[hubird]

I may be wrong, but I concider that scenario as not realistic, at least not in my country.
But I share your worries in general
It would be handy tho for the typical health workers in politically dangerous countries, in case of kidnapping, or for for treated criminals being on weekend permission.
Even the latter isn't possible here, as it's contradictional with constitunional sovereighnety of someones body.

[Mr Arkadin]

I may be wrong, but I concider that scenario as not realistic, at least not in my country.

In the UK it's very probable to happen. We're already getting biometric data on new passports (i renewed last year to avoid this), ID cards keep getting pushed through against the opposition - there has to be a reason they are still pushing something that is so unpopular, and call me a cynic but i doubt it's for the greater good of the population.

[Neil B]

I may be wrong, but I concider that scenario as not realistic, at least not in my country.

In the UK it's very probable to happen. We're already getting biometric data on new passports (i renewed last year to avoid this), ID cards keep getting pushed through against the opposition - there has to be a reason they are still pushing something that is so unpopular, and call me a cynic but i doubt it's for the greater good of the population.

I'm really not too bothered about ID cards - I have nothing to hide, but I will stop short of the mark of the beast implant on my forehead or right hand.

[Mr Arkadin]

I'm really not too bothered about ID cards - I have nothing to hide, but I will stop short of the mark of the beast implant on my forehead or right hand.

Thin end of the wedge my friend, accept ID cards, accept the rest. If you've nothing to hide why do you balk at the idea of chips? It's more convenient and it's for your own good and safety.

Also are we really gaining anything with ID cards that contain your fingerprints and DNA? Will this magically stop crime and terrorism? Or will it just create a new crime (ID fraud)?

i've nothing to hide either, but why should my fingerprints be taken and put on a criminal database? That goes against the whole principle of innocent till proven guilty.

[Shroomz~>]

It seems that they will work with microvolts sending commands to certain areas of your brain, so they say

So how does it work with women?

[siriusbliss]

saying you have nothing to hide is the classic response of people ignorant of a system that can be abused and turned against you. It's already happened. You will find it very hard to fight against it and resolve erroneous items turned against you. For all you know, simply being registered in a 'certain political party' will make you a terrorist.

These chips are already down to the size of a grain of pepper, so who knows, maybe we've already ingested them without knowing.

They won't need to implant it in your arm or neck. That's only for old sci-fi movie scripts.

These RFID's have already been hacked, and newer models are no more secure.

The strip on your driver's license already has most of your personal information anyways, so promoting some stupid 'universal ID' card is redundant brainwashing marketing fodder.

What you really have to watch out for the is dialectic event - some idiot flying a plane into a building - enough of an event to scare everyone into compliance.

Or, when they finish crashing the economy and you can't get food, maybe THEN you'll accept a chip. But hey, it's OK, you have nothing to hide.

G

[garyb]

some interesting darpa pamphlets

[garyb]

number2

[garyb]

see page 24