Global Warming

[Shroomz~>]

Who said the grove isn't real?

[garyb]

Who said the grove isn't real?

my bad.
being that the grove is Jones's most controversial claim....

[Shroomz~>]

Ok Gary, I probably rubbished what I said about objectivity regarding Jones by suggesting that the grove IS real...

[garyb]

no, you're right.
he's certainly a tool of that which he opposes. that's how that kind of thing works. it would be a mistake to focus on some guy. salvation is not in heroes.

[tomylee]

to get a bigger picture of it all, also watch "Zeitgeist - The Movie" on google or available as dvd high quality iso torrents...

@the others asking questions:

type "historical co2 levels million jears" into google ----- if dinosaurs have had the same huge histeria about their co2 levels as we have today, they´d sure have all died of heart attack...

It all makes sense at some point but to start getting a larger picture, skip the 8,5 out of 10-ratind movies from alex jones and get to our modern culture's probably most sophisticaded piece of art "ZEITGEIST - THE MOVIE"

it connects the dots, you then know who the enemy is, and what must be done, although the movie doesnt say a thing about it...

in super high quality get this:

[garyb]

btw- the burned total approached some 400,000 acres, a little over half of the 700,000 acres burned in 2003, according to the Long Beach Press Telegram. a bigger fire than 2003 happened in 1893(circa, memory isn't the best this morning). there were at least 4 cases of arson, with one of those being the kid who admitted starting 4 fires, so in the end tally, NOT the result of global warming doomsday.

[BingoTheClowno]

[BingoTheClowno]

"Unrelated" floods in Mexico, November 1, 2007:

[BingoTheClowno]

More photos:

[dawman]

That wasn't the Rio Grande was it?

[garyb]

keep wishing for a reason to hate people. floods are not new either.

it's in the south, floods are regular there, these are the worst in 40 years. the lack of proper infrastructure is at least part to blame for the devastation.


on the other hand, weather modification technology is regularly used these days....

[BingoTheClowno]

keep wishing for a reason to hate people. floods are not new either.

Right , those people keep building their houses in the middle of the river...

[garyb]

yes, and singularity will be such a boon for mankind, right?

why do people think that this world should normally be 100% safe? for the people in trouble, i feel for them and hope they make it ok, but yes, it's stupid to build in flood zones and fire corridors. the problem is that "developers" build, people move in and then tragedy strikes and the developers are nowhere to be found. it's esecially tragic in a place like Mexico which is the richest country in the world and yet the people who live there are among the poorest. dead people are perfect for the traitors to mankind who want this world order funded by carbon taxes aren't they?

what about weather mod? doesn't exist, right?

[BingoTheClowno]

I don't understand what are you talking about LOLZ

[BingoTheClowno]

The "corrupt and evil" United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) releases its fourth report:

Observations

The report notes many observed changes in the Earth's climate including atmospheric composition, global average temperatures, ocean conditions, and other climate changes.


Changes in the atmosphere

Carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide are all long-lived greenhouse gases.
"Carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values."
The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in 2005 (379 ppm) exceeds by far the natural range of the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm).
The amount of methane in the atmosphere in 2005 (1774 ppb) exceeds by far the natural range of the last 650,000 years (320 to 790 ppb).
The primary source of the increase in carbon dioxide is fossil fuel use, but land-use changes also make a contribution.
The primary source of the increase in methane is very likely to be a combination of human agricultural activities and fossil fuel use. How much each contributes is not well determined.
Nitrous oxide concentrations have risen from a pre-industrial value of 270 ppb to a 2005 value of 319 ppb. More than a third of this rise is due to human activity, primarily agriculture.

Warming of the planet

Cold days, cold nights, and frost events have become less frequent. Hot days, hot nights, and heat waves have become more frequent. Additionally:
Eleven of the twelve years in the period (1995-2006) rank among the top 12 warmest years in the instrumental record (since 1850).
Warming in the last 100 years has caused about a 0.74 °C increase in global average temperature. This is up from the 0.6 °C increase in the 100 years prior to the Third Assessment Report.
Urban heat island effects were determined to have negligible influence (less than 0.0006 °C per decade over land and zero over oceans) on these measurements.
Observations since 1961 show that the ocean has been absorbing more than 80% of the heat added to the climate system, and that ocean temperatures have increased to depths of at least 3000 m (9800 ft).
"Average Arctic temperatures increased at almost twice the global average rate in the past 100 years."
It is likely that greenhouse gases would have caused more warming than we have observed if not for the cooling effects of volcanic and human-caused aerosols. See global dimming.
Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least the past 1300 years.

Ice, snow, permafrost, rain, and the oceans

The SPM documents increases in wind intensity, decline of permafrost coverage, and increases of both drought and heavy precipitation events. Additionally:
"Mountain glaciers and snow cover have declined on average in both hemispheres."
Losses from the land-based ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica have very likely (>90%) contributed to sea level rise between 1993 and 2003.
Ocean warming causes seawater to expand, which contributes to sea level rising.
Sea level rose at an average rate of about 1.8 mm/year during the years 1961-2003. The rise in sea level during 1993-2003 was at an average rate of 3.1 mm/year. It is not clear whether this is a long-term trend or just variability.
Antarctic sea ice shows no significant overall trend, consistent with a lack of warming in that region.

Hurricanes
There has been an increase in hurricane intensity in the North Atlantic since the 1970s, and that increase correlates with increases in sea surface temperature.
The observed increase in hurricane intensity is larger than climate models predict for the sea surface temperature changes we have experienced.
There is no clear trend in the number of hurricanes.
Other regions appear to have experienced increased hurricane intensity as well, but there are concerns about the quality of data in these other regions.
It is more likely than not (>50%) that there has been some human contribution to the increases in hurricane intensity.
It is likely (>66%) that we will see increases in hurricane intensity during the 21st century.

Table SPM-2 lists recent trends along with certainty levels for the trend having actually occurred, for a human contribution to the trend, and for the trend occurring in the future. In relation to changes (including increased hurricane intensity) where the certainty of a human contribution is stated as "more likely than not" footnote f to table SPM-2 notes "Magnitude of anthropogenic contributions not assessed. Attribution for these phenomena based on expert judgment rather than formal attribution studies."

Factors that warm or cool the planet

AR4 describes warming and cooling effects on the planet in terms of radiative forcing — the rate at which energy is being added to the system, measured as power per unit area (in SI units, W/m²). The report shows in detail the individual warming contributions of carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, halocarbons, other human warming factors, and the warming effects of changes in solar activity. Also shown are the cooling effects of aerosols, land-use changes, and other human activities. All values are shown as a change from pre-industrial conditions.
Total radiative forcing from the sum of all human activities is a warming force of about +1.6 watts/m²
Radiative forcing from an increase of solar intensity since 1750 is about +0.12 watts/m²
Radiative forcing from carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide combined is very likely (>90%) increasing more quickly during the current era (1750-present) than at any other time in the last 10,000 years.

It is projected with High Confidence that:
The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by a combination of climate change and other stressors.
Carbon removal by terrestrial ecosystems is likely to peak before mid-century and then weaken or reverse. This would amplify climate change.

Objections to original WGII language

U.S. negotiators managed to eliminate language calling for cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, according to Patricia Romero Lankao, a lead author from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). The original draft read: "However, adaptation alone is not expected to cope with all the projected effects of climate change, and especially not over the long run as most impacts increase in magnitude. Mitigation measures will therefore also be required." The second sentence does not appear in the final version of the report.

China objected to wording that said "based on observed evidence, there is very high confidence that many natural systems, on all continents and in most oceans, are being affected by regional climate changes, particularly temperature increases." When China asked that the word "very" be stricken, three scientific authors balked, and the deadlock was broken only by a compromise to delete any reference to confidence levels.

[Mr Arkadin]

My eyes! My eyes!

[garyb]

blah, blah, blah.

writing it larger, doesn't make data more or less true, nor does it back up conclusions drawn from that data.

please stop trying to bamboozle the ignorant.

you don't know about wheather mod tech and LOLZ it? get your head out of the sand. such tech must be factored in to ANY discussion of climate change or trend since it is a verified reality. if it were not real, there would be no UN agreement or treaties on the use of such tech(of which there are)....

[BingoTheClowno]

please stop trying to bamboozle the ignorant.

you don't know about wheather mod tech and LOLZ it? get your head out of the sand. such tech must be factored in to ANY discussion of climate change or trend since it is a verified reality. if it were not real, there would be no UN agreement or treaties on the use of such tech(of which there are)....

Nothing I have writen belongs to me. Observe the copious quotes.
LOLZ

[garyb]

please stop trying to bamboozle the ignorant.

you don't know about wheather mod tech and LOLZ it? get your head out of the sand. such tech must be factored in to ANY discussion of climate change or trend since it is a verified reality. if it were not real, there would be no UN agreement or treaties on the use of such tech(of which there are)....

Nothing I have writen belongs to me. Observe the copious quotes.
LOLZ

so?

[BingoTheClowno]

please stop trying to bamboozle the ignorant.

you don't know about wheather mod tech and LOLZ it? get your head out of the sand. such tech must be factored in to ANY discussion of climate change or trend since it is a verified reality. if it were not real, there would be no UN agreement or treaties on the use of such tech(of which there are)....

Nothing I have writen belongs to me. Observe the copious quotes.
LOLZ

so?

Parles tu anglais?