Global Warming

[hubird]

a perfect moment to try out for the first time the 90 degree turn ability of my TFTs...

[BingoTheClowno]

what wars did the UN start?

well, let's just check some of the most obvious UN "actions".
1. the Korean War
2. the Vietnam war(a UN police action, how else can the USA commit acts of aggression without a declaration of war? check it out)
3. Kosovo(American troops wore UN badges)
4. Operation Desert Sheild(a fully UN sanctioned operation)
5. Operation "Enduring Freedom"(another fully sanction UN operation)
6. Lebenon.

Let's!

1. Korean War

The Korean War was a conflict precipitated when the Soviet supported North Korean Army invaded neighboring South Korea (supported by the United States) on June 25, 1950. The main hostilities were during the period from June 25, 1950 until the armistice (ceasefire agreement) was signed on July 27, 1953.
The principal support for North Korea came from the People's Republic of China, with limited assistance from the Soviet Union in forms of combat advisors, military pilots, and weapons. South Korea was supported by the United Nations Command forces in Korea (U.N.) forces, consisting primarily of American troops, aircraft, artillery, naval support, weapons, and the threat of nuclear weapons. Before the conflict, North and South Korea existed as provisional governments competing for control over the Korean Peninsula after the division of Korea by the United States and the Soviet Union.

2. Vietnam War

On August 2, 1964, the USS Maddox was attacked by torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin. The destroyer was on an intelligence mission along North Vietnam's coast. A second attack was reported two days later on the USS Turner Joy and Maddox in the same area. The circumstances of the attack were murky. Lyndon Johnson commented to Undersecretary of State George Ball that "those sailors out there may have been shooting at flying fish." The second attack led to retaliatory air strikes and prompted Congress to approve the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The resolution gave the President power to conduct military operations in South East Asia without declaring war.

It was later revealed that the second attack was questionable. "The Gulf of Tonkin incident," writes Louise Gerdes, "is an oft-cited example of the way in which Johnson misled the American people to gain support for his foreign policy in Vietnam."

3. Kosovo War

KLA attacks and Serbian reprisals continued throughout the winter of 1998;1999, culminating on January 15, 1999 with the Racak incident. The incident was immediately (before the investigation) condemned as a massacre by the Western countries and the United Nations Security Council, and later became the basis of one of the charges of war crimes leveled against Milosevic and his top officials. The details of what happened at Racak are still controversial. Although the war crimes tribunal has not yet ruled on the issue, it is fair to say that the massacre narrative is broadly accepted in the NATO-countries.

NATO decided that the conflict could only be settled by introducing a military peacekeeping force under the auspices of NATO, to forcibly restrain the two sides. A carefully coordinated set of diplomatic initiatives was announced simultaneously on January 30, 1999:
NATO issued a statement announcing that it was prepared to launch air strikes against Yugoslav targets "to compel compliance with the demands of the international community and to achieve a political settlement". While this was most obviously a threat to the Milosevic government, it also included a coded threat to the Albanians: any decision would depend on the "position and actions of the Kosovo Albanian leadership and all Kosovo Albanian armed elements in and around Kosovo." In effect, NATO was saying to the Serbs "make peace or we'll bomb you" and to the Albanians "make peace or we'll abandon you to the Serbs."
The Contact Group issued a set of "non-negotiable principles" which made up a package known as "Status Quo Plus" effectively the restoration of Kosovo's pre-1990 autonomy within Serbia, plus the introduction of democracy and supervision by international organisations. It also called for a peace conference to be held in February 1999 at the Château de Rambouillet, outside Paris.

4. Operation Desert Shield

The Gulf War or Persian Gulf War (2 August 1990 ; 28 February 1991)[4][5] was a conflict between Iraq and a coalition force from 35 nations[6] authorized by the United Nations (UN) and led primarily by the United States in order to liberate Kuwait.

5. Operation Enduring Freedom

Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) is the official name used by the U.S. government for its military response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. It was originally called Operation Infinite Justice, but this phrase had previously been restricted to the description of God (among followers of several faiths), and it is believed to have been changed to avoid offense to Muslims.Islamic clerics objected on the grounds that infinite justice can only be dispensed by God. On October 5, 2006, NATO officially took over control of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

The Operation comprises several subordinate operations:
Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan (OEF-A)
Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines (OEF-P) (formerly Operation Freedom Eagle)
Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa (OEF-HOA)
Operation Enduring Freedom - Trans Sahara (OEF-TS)
Operation Enduring Freedom - Pankisi Gorge

The term "OEF" typically refers to the war in Afghanistan. Other operations, such as in Pankisi Gorge, are only loosely or nominally connected to OEF, such as through government funding vehicles.[4] All the operations, however, have a focus on antiterrorism activities.

6. Lebanon 2006 War

The 2006 Lebanon War, known in Lebanon as the July War[19] and in Israel as the Second Lebanon War,[20] was a 34-day military conflict in Lebanon and northern Israel. The principal parties were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006, and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006 when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon.

The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns, wounding several civilians, as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.[21] Of the seven Israeli soldiers in the two jeeps, two were wounded, three were killed, and two were seized and taken to Lebanon.[21] Five more were killed in a failed Israeli rescue attempt. Israel responded with massive airstrikes and artillery fire on targets in Lebanon, which damaged Lebanese civilian infrastructure, including Beirut's Rafic Hariri International Airport which Israel said Hezbollah used to import weapons, an air and naval blockade,[22] and a ground invasion of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah then launched more rockets into northern Israel and engaged the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in guerrilla warfare from hardened positions.

[garyb]

blah, blah, blah. disinfo, disinfo,disinfo....

partial stories. look a little deeper. all of these actions were UN sanctioned, and the participants are UN members...

[garyb]

Plants don't "breathe", they process CO2 and water in what's known as photosynthesis. But I guess we can call it breathing since you are the expert climatologist on Planet Z.

well actually the technical term is respiration, which they do...do.

i've included a link to a google search of "plant respiration", because i know you don't like to think that i know what i'm talking about......
http://search.earthlink.net/search?q=re ... 41&abtli=1

I've looked at the first page and again, you're wrong!
Why are you being stuborn?

this is a quote from that page:
In respiration, plants (and animals) convert the sugars back into energy for growth and to energize life processes.....

why am i wrong?
why are you so unfreindly?

[BingoTheClowno]

First, I didn't find anywhere that breathing is the same thing as respiration.
Secondly, photorespiration, its not what you think it is, inspiration of CO2 but exactly what you mentioned, conversion of sugars back into CO2 and water, a completely different and opposite thing.
Again, read twice your links before you decide to post them otherwise you'll keep making a fool of yourself.
Will you continue to be arrogant?

[garyb]

the dictionary defines "respire" as "to breathe in and out".

the latin roots are re- again and spirare- to breathe, but if you prefer your definition, fine. the processes described with sugars occur during respiration, but respiration itself is the simple act of taking in air and releasing air. it can be active or passive. in respiration, plants take in CO2 and release O2. there are chemical processes occuring in between intake and output, but it's not necessary to describe them here....

[BingoTheClowno]

I don't have time for word plays with you. Read again what I wrote.

[garyb]

I don't have time for word plays with you. Read again what I wrote.

looked like a word game to me...

[MikeRaphone]

I didn't mean it as a political thing(sees red), just a joke about red letters and a heated discussion

carry on folks

[garyb]

i thought it worked both ways.

[next to nothing]

im gonna be quick, partly because im at work and partly because were heading straight into off-topic land, but if your sources tells you troops in kosovo wore UN badges when invading you really should check your sources.

[garyb]

check yours.

here is an article showing the UN retreating before NATO forces(in support of the UN) went into Kosovo. the UN was there at the beginning, exasperated the situation and stayed to the end. member states invaded in support of the UN and using the UN as an excuse. the UN forces returned. all of this was in service to and sanctioned by the UN. to say otherwise requires splitting hairs and technicalities. there is still a technique of domination in this world known as "good cop, bad cop". the USA(and/or a USA led army like NATO) plays bad cop, so the UN can play good cop, but just like the detectives at the police station, neither the brutal bad cop, nor the understanding good cop are on the suspect's side. both are working against him, together as a team.

i left out the most heinous UN action which was in Rwanda....

after UN peacekeepers arrive in a country, strange things happen like this. the strangest are the scandals involving the little 13year-old and younger girls being sold into prostitution, like in this example and for socialists, this example...now while this sex trade is never directly UN related, it's funny that wherever "peacekeepers" go, these things follow...

i only cite these things to illustrate that the UN is not all sunshine and that not everything they do is nice. the UN is the main global warming from human CO2 exponent, and the real purpose is the domination of the world's governments and peoples as set forth in Agenda 21(UN global agenda for the 21st century).

[next to nothing]

"here is an article showing the UN retreating before NATO forces(in support of the UN) went into Kosovo."

you are totally right.


oh, except for the fact that the NATO invasion was one and a half year earlier.

[garyb]

my bad.

here it's in NATO's own words....

[next to nothing]

too bad they started bombing kosovo 2 months earlier (march 24th). dude get the timeline straight

[BingoTheClowno]

my bad.

here it's in NATO's own words....

So what are you proving then?

[garyb]

too bad they started bombing kosovo 2 months earlier (march 24th). dude get the timeline straight

the question was whether or not the UN sanctioned NATO. the website is NATO's justification and it names plenty of UN resolutions in order to explain it's actions. thie first one is 1160 and it's from March 1998, well within piddi's required range, in fact a full year earlier. before this becomes an even bigger strawman, fisrt explain how NATO has any business enforcing UN resolutions. second, the whole point for pointing out that the UN is often not such a nice body and even war mongers(there are plenty of reports of UN peacekeepers allowing the greatest atrocities to happen right in front of them), and that is to show that the study from the UN on global warming is politically motivated and not environmentally. i am just showing that the UN is not always a reliable, helpful organization, just like the rest of the governments. i said the UN is full of liars(politicians) and is untrustworthy. it was said that at least the don't start wars, i said neither do the stop them, and if you look deeper, since world war 2, many if not all major wars have been UN wars.

hey, believe what you want.

[next to nothing]

first off thanks for letting me believe what i want, its a priveliege.

"the website is NATO's justification and it names plenty of UN resolutions in order to explain it's actions."

...As did the numerous earlier attempts they did to get UN approval of their allready ongoing airstrikes.

"well within piddi's required range,"
with all due respect, i dont define the agenda here. YOU said UN went in BEFORE NATO, i just reminded you about some slight whole in your perspective of events.

" fisrt explain how NATO has any business enforcing UN resolutions. "
Straight to the point. Appearantly UN thought the same way and declined every approach NATO did.

"there are plenty of reports of UN peacekeepers allowing the greatest atrocities to happen right in front of them"

Yes it is. i dont like it either.

"and that is to show that the study from the UN on global warming is politically motivated and not environmentally. "

Well, i still cant link Milosevic to greenhouse gases.

[garyb]

that's not what i implied, and the UN DID approve NATO actions, that's why NATO uses the UN as justification. period.

NATO was used as the "bad cop" in the kosovo scheme.

stop setting up strawmen.

95% of greenhouse gasses are water vapor and humans are responsible for .001% of water vapor in the atmosphere. human CO2 effect on the weather is minimal. THIS is what i said, i said nothing about the guy sentenced in the hague as a war criminal while people who did much worse crimes(cough, cough, Kissinger), walk free....

just because you don't like or believe what i say is no reason to twist my words.

[BingoTheClowno]

The question was whether UN started the wars that you mentioned and then you presented the proof that disproved your point and now you are saying it doesn't.

UN Charter Chapter 7

Article 39

The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Article 40
In order to prevent an aggravation of the situation, the Security Council may, before making the recommendations or deciding upon the measures provided for in Article 39, call upon the parties concerned to comply with such provisional measures as it deems necessary or desirable. Such provisional measures shall be without prejudice to the rights, claims, or position of the parties concerned. The Security Council shall duly take account of failure to comply with such provisional measures.

95% of greenhouse gasses are water vapor and humans are responsible for .001% of water vapor in the atmosphere

No one cares about the quantity of water vapor humans produce ( ) , the main concern is the CO2 produced by all human activities combined.