Next American President?

Post by **hubird** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:43 pm

nicely done

nice merries, the horses I mean

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:40 pm

Well Gary, The problem is that a good education involves more than just reading writing and arithmetic and trivial history dates. Maybe you went to public school so you don't understand this.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:50 pm

hello Bingo!

an abacus is a very advanced instrument. if we are to believe what we are told, the chinese ran an area much larger than the united states with them.

i know that you know what higher math is. calculus was around long before calculators as was geometry. i know because when i was in jr high school(middle school in unesco speak) pocket calculators had justy been invented and when i was in high shool, there was much debate about the ethics of using them. now, "stupid"(only becuase they don't know anything else) people can't imagine life without them.......

..and just because those people lived simply, doesn't make them ignorant or stupid. nor does it indicate the quality of the lives they lived. in fact many people today who live very sophisticated lives are very ignorant as well as stupid and live lives of extremely poor quality, so poor that they require tranquilizers to make it through the day, and the right to suicide.

the whole arguement of those photos(although humorous

) is disingenuous. are those particular people "settlers", city people and farming peopel from the east who moved west to rough it on their own away from banks, for a chance at having their own lives? where those people peasants who live in "civilized" lands, but live poorly because the "Lord" of the land only allows subsistance living and takes any excess as "tax"? were they just simple people who had all they needed and really were conent and easy in their lives(there's an old man in the picture, so maybe so..), just like many people who still live simply even today, even knowing about the city nearby?

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:54 pm

braincell wrote:Well Gary, The problem is that a good education involves more than just reading writing and arithmetic and trivial history dates. Maybe you went to public school so you don't understand this.

i agree, but when did i say anything about that? it's a fact that people today are less educated than ever as a whole(not speaking about some specialty) in the united states. it's a fact that there are policy papers written be the leading eugenics figures around the turn of the century saying that americans need to be stupified.

i'm talking about why education is so bad. it's not "money", "republicans", "bad teachers" or any other boogieman. it's an in-your-face system, run by in-your-face forces.

no matter where you go, people roll their eyes about politicians and say that it's corrupt at the top, and yet......it's always to the top that people look for their help and protection. ain't gonna happen. corruption won't save you, can't save you, doesn't even want to save you..

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:07 pm

I can tell you why it's bad.

Class sizes are too large. Teachers don't get paid enough so they don't attract quality teachers. Bad teaches are retained and teachers have little freedom to set the curriculum.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:22 pm

garyb wrote:hello Bingo!
an abacus is a very advanced instrument.

It must be so if you say so. Tell us more!

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:24 pm

braincell wrote:I can tell you why it's bad.

Class sizes are too large. Teachers don't get paid enough so they don't attract quality teachers. Bad teaches are retained and teachers have little freedom to set the curriculum.

no, it's bad because those in power like it that way. they want ignorant, slavish, dependant people who can't challenge them for supremacy, just like all psychopaths would. the last thing they want is informed, knowledgeable, independant, freethinking humans.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:26 pm

BingoTheClowno wrote:
garyb wrote:hello Bingo!
an abacus is a very advanced instrument.
It must be if you say so. Tell us more!

why do you always take it so personally?

no, you tell me. by what mechanism does a scientific calculator work?

and while you're looking for straw men to ridicule, how about the rest of that post?

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:42 pm

garyb wrote:
BingoTheClowno wrote:
garyb wrote:hello Bingo!
an abacus is a very advanced instrument.
It must be if you say so. Tell us more!
why do you always take it so personally?

no, you tell me. by what mechanism does a scientific calculator work?

I think it is using black magic, "god's will", hocus pocus, abracadabra or something similar. God works in mysterious ways.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:50 pm

so you don't know?
maybe a calculator and an abacus are not as different as they seem....

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:57 pm

garyb wrote:

so you don't know?
maybe a calculator and an abacus are not as different as they seem....

Of course I don't, who am I to "question" god's magnificent work?

Post by **garyb** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:58 pm

indeed.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:40 pm

You see, you can be a reasonable man too.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:48 pm

Actually it is a self-perpetuating system. Why do you think 3rd parties are shut out?

It's Coke versus Pepsi with both parties telling us they are different from the other.

garyb wrote:
braincell wrote:I can tell you why it's bad.

Class sizes are too large. Teachers don't get paid enough so they don't attract quality teachers. Bad teaches are retained and teachers have little freedom to set the curriculum.
no, it's bad because those in power like it that way. they want ignorant, slavish, dependant people who can't challenge them for supremacy, just like all psychopaths would. the last thing they want is informed, knowledgeable, independant, freethinking humans.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:57 pm

I'm glad i have the right to kill myself

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:02 am

Start to what?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:52 pm

I just realized that we can never let Puerto Rico become a state because there isn't room for another star on the flag.

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:46 pm

My advice: Don`t get lost in the bush for another couple of years.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:27 pm

if he suspends elections, then we'll be stuck the way you guys were back in the late '30s.....

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:28 am

How do you know?