Delay in Start When VDAT is Recording

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:57 pm

I hooked up my VDAT to record when I start Cubase but then it starts about 3 seconds after Cubase does. Is this normal?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:56 pm

no, how are they synced?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:53 pm

OK thanks for your reply. I am using word clock as an external sync.

I have midi source module connected to MTCtoCLK which connects to the VRC-128 (set to MTC sync), connected to the VDAT. Cubase 4 is sending MIDI sync and pointer.

JESUS CHRIST THIS SOUNDS SO COMPLICATED!

Post by **garyb** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:39 am

yeah, i think you should just use midi clock.

the digital sync source is not part of the equation..

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:55 am

Braincell, slave Cubase via the clock input on the ASIO module. You'll get the tightest possible sync between Cubase & Vdat by doing that.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:55 pm

Thanks!

dubcotics · Post by **dubcotics** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:32 am

Hi,

so it's possible to record to VDAT via Cubase ? How ? Does that affects the overall sound. I own a VDAT would like to use it as my daily basis recording machine, replies welcomed and grateful :wink: ,

cheers,

didier

arela · Post by **arela** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:01 pm

braincell:

I hooked up my VDAT to record when I start Cubase but then it starts about 3 seconds after Cubase does. Is this normal?

This should be postet under the tread What's the best delay on scope

and to dubcotics
I think this is what you're looking for
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... dat+remote

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:57 pm

arela wrote: ...This should be postet under the tread What's the best delay on scope
...

I was thinking in the same direction, but just couldn't remember if the 'autoreturn' could be set to the appropriate loopmode for record and playback and overwrite and playback...

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:31 pm

At the end of the day there is NO delay as such between Scope & an ASIO app like cubase if you slave the ASIO app to Vdat via the ASIO module in Scope. It's sample accurate. Obviously it still makes sense to allow a lead-in of a couple of bars as you would do on old analogue tape after pressing the play & record buttons, but this has been said before by Atom if I'm not mistaken.

arela · Post by **arela** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:21 am

Yes shroomz, i always bar1 as lead in, then i put a small ping at start of bar 2.
Then i always can glue it all together as wavefiles, IN SYNC

Post by **hubird** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:02 am

I always start a song at bar 17, with adjusted time line offset to have the start still at 0:0:0.
It allows a 16 bar 'parking room' at the left, f.e. for original parts or variations, you can add an extra introsound later on, and gives room for start controller settings of course

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:29 am

btw did you have a look at the settings in VRC ? there's a general pre/postroll plus individual track delays...

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:51 pm

I tried the ASIO. Didn't start for some reason. I wish it had Rewire. It would be so much easier. That is the one thing on my wish list for Creamware. I don't have to think about anything with Rewire.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:30 am

Braincell, for yourself & anyone else trying to sync cubase & VDAT, I'll try to explain in more detail how to set it up to work. I think It's been explained on the forum by Atom on several occasions, but another time won't hurt anyone. It IS a bit fiddly to figure out at first & since there's a lot of people on the forum who don't perfectly understand english, I've made a couple of self-explanatory screenshots. (see below)

As you can see, I haven't connected any audio channels in the Scope Routing window, just the sync connections.

Set it up as above with a tape in VDAT, use the VRC as master transport & you're rockin'. The only other thing you'd have to do is switch on record enable in cubase if you want to record in there, otherwise the other main cubase transport controls should automate perfectly from the VRC & without delay.

This is the best way to sync VDAT & cubase AFAIK.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:33 am

Btw, anything which I mentioned related to Cubase in the post above, relates to SX2. I'm not sure how different the transport panel & sync setup section is in versions 3&4.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:36 am

it's similar.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:38 am

Almost forgot, to work this way it doesn't matter if VRC is set to 'normal' or 'MTC'.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:50 am

yes, also this method should work without the vrc(clk out of vdat into clk in asio2 dest).

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:01 am

The VRC has more advanced transport controls, like the track delay, pre & post roll etc that Astro mentioned above, but if you don't need all that, then just using VDAT should be fine.