Odd clicks in new patch

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:42 pm

After prowling around various Reaktor sites and being quite impressed with some of their devices I thought to myself "yeah, I could build something like that" and started work on a pretty complex swirling, panning, bpm-synced thingy. I like it. And I'll post it as soon as all the bugs are gone and I've written some presets.

In fact it only has one bug - strange poppings. It's like an attack problem but changing the attacks and filter envelope doesn't help. If I lower the amplitude slider on the polyout they seem to get softer in relation to the overall sound, but they're still there.

It's very distracting since some of the sounds are quite soft and shimmery and are ruined by the initial clicks.

I know it's a bit hard to tell without seeing the patch, but any ideas?

cheers,
Spirit

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:20 am

is there a delay in there synced to external clock? that'll cause clicks because the MIDI clock will slide around a bit . . .

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:06 pm

Got it in one Algo. Is there a solution ?

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:59 pm

this should work:
"drag a clock divider in the patch feed it with clock, connect its start/stop input to a gate-or output and connect its clock output to the gate (retrigger)input of the lfo, instead of retriggering the lfo directly from the mvc gate out." - alfonso

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:35 pm

Thanks

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:52 pm

it works only if there is an envelope in the patch connected to the mvc ports, and let's you use an internal clock setting that matches the song speed, restarting with the played notes to keep it tight with the song.
this is mostly intended for rythmical patches.
the problems with the clocked delays is that they simply produce clicks when speed is changed, and this happens always when slaved to some sequencers, as you can see in the continous fluttering of the incoming clock.
so, delays work well if clocked to an internal fixed clock and as they don't have to be restarted but just respond to the incoming sound, you don't need to keep them slaved to the sequencer. so for delays you don't need the gate-or workaround that is good to restart seq. modules or clocked oscillators.
ciao, alfonso

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:32 pm

Interesting.... I'll write a few more presets and see how it goes. I've got two patches that use the same routings but only one clicks... I'll keep fiddling.
Thanks for the tips.

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:11 pm

I have the clockproblem, too, with hardwaresynths. The only sequencer I know that really generates a rock-solid MIDI clock is the Akai MPC2000

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 12:27 am

Funny, but I just can't shake the clicks. It's a real pity because the thing just swirls. Maybe I should also mention that it uses two auto-panners to bpm-clocked LFOs but the outputs stay separate to outputs 1,2,3,4 so I didn't think they'd interfere...

Ah, well, I might have to chuck this one out.