Spectral Balance Controller!??!

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:44 am

what the hell is??
i cannot find any info!!!
can someone post a link?

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MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:20 am

That's the tools used by Dan Haykroyd in GhostBuster

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:08 am

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:13 am

from the manual :

Introduction
SBC - Spectral Balance Controller.
The Spectral Balance Controller has
been designed to adjust the frequency
response of an audio signal musically to
your notion without changing the
character of your sound material.
Besides that our goal has been providing
a comfortable and easy way of handling
to make this powerful device your favorable
tool for daily work.
The signal is divided in 6 frequency
bands, which can be independantly
leveled.
To absorb level peaks for each band you
will find an integrated Limiter for each of
the 6 frequency bands.

The scope of use is widely spread and
ranges from processing of dedicated
signals such as Drums, Vocals and other
Instruments, up to Mastering and Sound
Restoration.

SBC Design
The SBC contains an adjustable Stereo
Input, a 6-Band Crossover filter,
which divides the audio signal into 6
frequency bands, a limiter for each
frequency band and an adjustable
Stereo-Output.
The frequency separation of the 6-band
Crossoverfilter has been adjusted to the
sense of hearing reception and provides
the capability to adjust the frequency
response in a musical way.

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:16 am

combined with optimaster and psyq it sounds TERRIFIC (:-)) for mastering... and even to adjust single tracks!
i look forward to try it very soon!

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AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:48 am

ftp://ftp.creamware.de/Software/Scope_f ... roller.pdf

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:48 am

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MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:10 am

depends how you use it!

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:15 pm

On 2005-11-30 02:16, bosone wrote:
combined with optimaster and psyq it sounds TERRIFIC (:-)) for mastering... and even to adjust single tracks!
i look forward to try it very soon!

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bosone on 2005-11-30 06:48 ]

It sounds great! It's the greatest plugin I have ever heard! Can't wait to try it!

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:14 pm

It's the greatest plugin's name I've ever read !...

To see what a REAL "Spectral Balance Controller" is:
http://www.har-bal.com/
...Not for Live use, but a real and revolutionnary tool for serious mastering, not a toy.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:13 pm

I'm not even going to go into detail about how poorly written the sales blabber is.. "the notion of" what the crap on earth is that?

Anyway, it's a 6band multi-limiter right? Or something?

edit:

actually, I'm going to take a stab at it. I mean, I have to.. I can't help myself..

adjust the frequency
response of an audio signal musically to
your notion without changing the
character of your sound material

dammit, adjusting the frequency responce IS changing the character of the sound material. The damn plugin wouldn't be EFFECTIVE if it didn't change the character of my sound material. duh! Someone needs to take language arts all over again.

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:19 am

grok,
what the f*** are you doing here?

You are simply ridicolous.

It seem you have some serious problem.
Micron

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:25 am

Anyway, it's a 6band multi-limiter right? Or something?

is something of it, it's very good as insert or to fine tune your master.

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:19 am

hi

anyway a new tool for the system
is always well accepted
waitin some real news i mean.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:01 am

On 2005-12-01 02:19, djmicron wrote:
grok,
what the f*** are you doing here?

You are simply ridicolous.

It seem you have some serious problem.
Micron
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Sorry, djmicron, I know I shouldn't say the truth so brutally, I know it can shock sometime. I apologize.

But, go see what Har-Bal is, try it, buy it (30 days refund if not satisfied), and you will understand.
http://www.har-bal.com/

Only 95$, which is not "a steal" but a simple miracle.

A real and revolutionary tool, not a toy.

You will understand why mastering engineers use it, and why it has changed in a little more than one year the world of mastering.
And later, you will understand why Creamware's SBC is an overpriced toy.

Cheers,
Grok

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kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:48 am

well, yeah, it's good we atleast got something new. Hal-bal looks interesting. not sure if their philosphy of making everything flat is good, but the tool itself looks intereting. looks almost like the fft filter designer in samplitude. (which I think is cool)

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Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:27 am

On 2005-12-01 10:48, kensuguro wrote:
well, yeah, it's good we atleast got something new. Hal-bal looks interesting. not sure if their philosphy of making everything flat is good, but the tool itself looks intereting. looks almost like the fft filter designer in samplitude. (which I think is cool)
[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2005-12-01 10:53 ]

Ergonomically astoundingly much better than the Samplitude's FFT and than all the other FFT EQ on the market.

I feel I have to repeat it: Har-Bal is unique

Don't try it with the mind, try it for real, for immediate understanding (the best is to buy it at no risk, coz' there is a 30 day's refund, and the demo is limited to 8 bit).

Free upgrades !...

By the way, the new Har-Bal v2.0 from one week ago has just implemented a feature that I had explained here more than one year ago on 2004-09-28:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=3&16
They call it "HB Air", "LR Thingy"...

I gave to PlanetZ the trick, as quoted:

Considering an AB stereo final mix, where A and B are the two mono signals combined in the AB stereo file.

You can MS decode this file in two stereo files CD and EF for the sides and the middle of the original stereo file; summing these mid and side files gives the original AB stereo mix.

C = [A + (B with its phase inverted)] minus 6 dB
D = [B + (A with its phase inverted)] minus 6 dB
E = F = (A + B) minus 6 dB

Now, say that we want to give an extra wide stereo field to the AB stereo file when mastering without touching the center/middle of the stereo field.

What we can do is to MS decode like above, and do this process:
- take the CD stereo file (the one that contains the sides of the original AB file), copy it and invert the channels of the copy to have a DC stereo file; invert the phase of this DC copy
- now we have three stereo files: CD; EF; and "DC with the phase inverted"
- listen to the sum of these three files while choosing an adequate level for the "DC with the phase inverted" one, the CD and EF levels remaining untouched... Amazing, isn't it?

Cheers,
Grok

PS: I think this is the process B. Katz uses in his "K-Stereo" processor. You will find that this processing gives exactly what he describes his "ambience recovery processor" does on stereo mixes. So you can give me 3000$, thanks .

This trick is perfectly mono compatible with absolutely no weird phase problem... And it gives a kind of "3D stereo"

To conclude, Kensuguro, I know that if you try Har-Bal for real, not only will you understand immediately, but also you will think: "How could I've done without this, along all these years?"

R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N.A.R.Y.
More than one year after the first Har-Bal release, the world of professional mastering recognize Har-Bal as an outstanding tool with no equivalent anywhere at any price.

This is why it's 95$ price is a simple miracle.

Regards,
Grok

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ChampionSound · Post by **ChampionSound** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:39 pm

Yes I already know Har-Bal and it's absolutely a great product, so I've heard from a real mastering engineer a couple of months ago.
But still, the SBC may be an easy and handy tool to fix the frequency bands which are too soft or loud in volume.
BUT, doesn't Wolf's spEQtrum plugin do the same job as the SBC? It even looks like the spEQtrum has way more controls and precision, no? (not 6 bands, but 48!)
Maybe the SBC is made for another purpose, I don't know. Probably I'll have them both soon anyway, so I can compare

As most of us aren't real mastering engeneers (I assume), the SBC might do the job pretty well.

cheers, Darce

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:58 pm

Grok,
i'm opened to any new software on the market, but the har bal software does not have a good demo.
The only i've found on the site is limited in the following way :

If you wish to purchase this software click here. The demonstration version of Har-Bal supports most of the functionality of the registered version with the following exceptions:

1. Record function is disabled
2. Playback resolution is limited to 8 bits (With a hiss)
3. Reminder messages
how can i do a test of the software with 8 bit resolution ?

i've done a test with 8 bit resolution and i think the samplitude fft filter is much better and more easy to use.
I don't understand why you call the spc a toy, it's simply a different tool, it's great to enhance drums, vocals or every audio material in the mix.
There are other good eq tools on the market, on scope there is the speqtrum that is great, on vst there is the firium and the voxengo stuff....

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:13 pm

SBC does not have the features befitting the next big thing in Scope mastering. I'm 100% positive that Celmo, Wolf, SpaceF, J. Bowen, Shayne & others could have developed a more powerfull mastering addition.... no whining, just an opinion for which I (as you do) only need to look at the features of this nice little basic addition.

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